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Old 02-02-2012, 08:22 PM   #511
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Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

peyton still has no velocity on his throws, so, no idea if that'll be coming back soon (or ever) and his re-injury risk is pretty high. If we structure the contract to protect us and draft someone anyways, it'd be fine.

This isn't drew brees as an FA (who we didn't even try for), this is a real risk.
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peyton still has no velocity on his throws, so, no idea if that'll be coming back soon (or ever) and his re-injury risk is pretty high. If we structure the contract to protect us and draft someone anyways, it'd be fine.

This isn't drew brees as an FA (who we didn't even try for), this is a real risk.
How was his examination Guy, my favorite Colts exec! He will have to build the muscle in arm and neck again but he will do that because he a cyborg and pissed that so many have written him off as done.
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"Come on Man" right back at cha!

I stated that it's not all just about Peyton, it's about him learning a new system AND his teamates & coaches adapting to him. He had full control it appeared in Indy for all those years. Can't assume he would have that here or anywhere else. The coaching staff & players would have to adjust to him as well. He's no spring chicken either, how much change would you want to bring upon your organization for a 36 year old? Better in the long run to do that w/a rookie.

As for him coming in & being given full 'control' over the offense, how would that be for team morale? I'm sure Shanny would adapt some things to fit Peyton, but coaching staffs don't gut their entire system for a player unless they're hiring a new coordinator.
Note - my comments were related to him learning a OUR scheme that returning Skin's players have been in for a year or two depending on who they are. He is definitely uber competitive and an extremely smart guy who could pickup any offensive scheme IMHO.

And BTW - I know that the Shanahan's like mobile QB's so they can run their entire offense. I could see that as a primary reason not to pursue Manning but not because of things you mention above.

It's all good and a healthy debate...
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Two Colts Dr.'s have now cleared Manning. If he becomes a FA I say we get him and build through the draft around him. No trading up.
I'm not sure how much the Colt's Dr.s clearing him means *shrugs*
That organization has seemingly decided to move on, it only forwards their momentum by saying Peyton is cleared to play thus opening the door for him to leave.

But, hypothetically speaking if he is in fact cleared to play:

o call Tom Moore ask him if he wants to be 'passing game coordinator' contingent upon signing Peyton

o tell Kyle that he and Moore need to work on how best to install Moore/Peyton's system

o call Jeff Saturday, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez

o Mike Shanahan/Synder go to meet Peyton in person

o draft a RT and a OG that can start
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I'm not sure how much the Colt's Dr.s clearing him means *shrugs*
I agree our doc's will have to clear him. If we can get manning we don't have to mortgage the future. We can possibly move down. Here a little fuel from my main man Kyle...

Today Kyle Shanahan threw a little bit of gasoline on the “Peyton Manning to the Redskins” fire that has been burning for the last few weeks.

Appearing on ESPN 980, the Redskins’ offensive coordinator said Manning’s age would not be a concern if he does attempt to come back from a neck injury that sidelined him for all of the 2010 season.

"I know he's up there in age, but if he's healthy, age is not an issue," said Shanahan. "That guy takes care of his body.”

Manning will turn 36 in March. The Colts will need to decide if they are going to pay him a $28 million option bonus in early March or release him.

The neck injury, which has required three surgical procedures in 19 months, is, of course, of concern to Shanahan. But if Manning gets a clean bill of health on that, Kyle thinks he’ll be fine.

"If he can recover," Shanahan continued, "and the doctors say he's healthy, and he says he's healthy, then that's enough for me."
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Some people here need to understand that franchise QB's are the hardest thing to find in the NFL.

When we offer up Orakpo, we're offering up a player that can be found draft, after draft, after draft. Pass rushers can be found not only in the first round, but a very few some have been found in the later rounds and undrafted.

When we are offering up 3rd, 4th, 5th rounders for a potential franchise QB. Picks (3,4,5) that are worth less and less in value for a potential QB, the Key to winning in this QB driven league; you make that trade, screw those picks for this year. This is the year you get that franchise QB at whatever cost it is.
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How lame would this franchise appear to be implanting Peyton Mannning, Jeff Saturday and Pierre Garcon? Then again, how low can they go?
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I did not want to start a new thread for this but thought it might have escaped some peoples notice. Todd McShay released his second Mock draft yesterday and he had the following picks:

1) Luck - Indy
2)Kalil - StL
3)Reiff - Min
4)RGIII - Cleve
5)Claiborne - TB

This would leave Blackmon on the board when we pick. Now if we could stay at 6 and get Blackmon (unlikely in my mind as I don't see Reiff being a #3 pick) then I would prefer that to trading multiple high round picks and players (like Orakpo) to move up 5 spots to grab RGIII. This is just my opinion but even though he is wildly talented, I don't see RGIII as a sure thing due to size, his durability, the fact that he played behind a really amazing Oline in college and the fact that he has really only played at a very high level for one year.

If we could get Peyton in FA and draft Blackmon in the first a CB or Oline in the 2nd and Weedon (or someone to develop behind Peyton)in the 3rd or 4th then I would say we come out of this draft a FAR better team then we would if we made a trade involving picks and Orakpo and came away with RGIII or Bradford.
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After thinking about it all night I thoroughly believe that RGIII would come here and put up 2,500 yards passing 20 TDs 500 yards rushing and 5 TDs.

On a side note is 2005 the last time we had a QB pass for 20 TDs with Brunell's 23 that year?
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Did he play behind an amazing OL? 6'2" 220 too small for you? He can evade the rush he isn't Ryan Mallett.
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Heath Shuler is retiring from Congress. Rumor had it that he will return as Redskins QB.

Blue Dog Democrat Heath Shuler to retire from Congress - Yahoo! News
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Heath Shuler is retiring from Congress. Rumor had it that he will return as Redskins QB.

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Just like people say now we don't give up any picks and we can keep trading back until the 7th round. #WINNING
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I'm sure he had trouble with his passing legislature skills.
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Did he play behind an amazing OL? 6'2" 220 too small for you? He can evade the rush he isn't Ryan Mallett.
Wow....I honestly did not think he was that tall, he looked smaller than that to me. So, ok, I certainly retract that statement. I would say yes his Oline was consistently one of the best in CFB all year.
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