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Old 02-06-2012, 09:13 PM   #586
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:19 PM   #587
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Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution
You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.
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Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you see what happens when random people post random rumors on the interwebz? You get stuff like this:

Dawg Talkers Message Boards: Vikes and Rams will listen to trade talk

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Just on a side note and not to derail the thread but I was reading that link posted to Washington and they had some serious dicussion from the "people in the know" about McCoy going to Washington and pairing him up with Shipley (sp?).
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that site hurts my eyes, and i like the browns
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that site hurts my eyes, and i like the browns
I like the Redskins, but a certain site that has the same rooting interests hurts my eyes too. Why do you think I came to this joint instead?
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You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.
Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:44 PM   #592
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you see what happens when random people post random rumors on the interwebz? You get stuff like this:

Dawg Talkers Message Boards: Vikes and Rams will listen to trade talk

post #896921



Clearly referencing this site since they also bring up SC's Vikings/Bradford/Redskins rumor

But yeah I think I've gone blind now
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:57 PM   #593
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Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"
I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round but has produced more quality QBs then most.
I'd bet his hit rate average with QBs outstrips the average of the rest of the league.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:02 PM   #594
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I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round.
And has produced more quality QBs then most.
His track record suggests that when it comes to QBs he right far more often then the NFL at large.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.
Well don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what this scout (former actually) and some others think is happening in Cleveland.

Me personally? I think they don't really have an opinion on McCoy yet
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Well don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what this scout (former actually) and some others think is happening in Cleveland.

Me personally? I think they don't really have an opinion on McCoy yet
Not at all, didn't intend to shoot the messenger.
Just speculating on the plausibility/logic behind some of the info out there.

Holmgren is quoted to have said that he wants to bring in competition.
It just doesn't seem logical to me to draft high or give up high draft picks for competition, that would be for replacement.
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Clearly referencing this site since they also bring up SC's Vikings/Bradford/Redskins rumor

But yeah I think I've gone blind now
Well I know they're referencing us because I found the link to that forum in the link backs section at the bottom of this thread. But yeah that's horrible. One random guy comes in here and says he thinks McCoy and Shipley are coming here and then it's a legit rumor? Only in the offseason.
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Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.
I thought that I would seek more inside info than vague press conference coach-speak.
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Well I know they're referencing us because I found the link to that forum in the link backs section at the bottom of this thread. But yeah that's horrible. One random guy comes in here and says he thinks McCoy and Shipley are coming here and then it's a legit rumor? Only in the offseason.
Didn't even notice the link back
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Rex was often a playmaker for the opposition, as well. He has a major problem with turnovers and, after 9 years in the league, it doesn't look like he can correct that problem.

Regardless, I think it is now clear to most observers that an NFL team needs to have a QB who is well above average in order to be a contender. That's not Rex.

Nevertheless, I would support signing him as a backup. I think he's more than adequate in that role.
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It's not like Kyle gave Rex a ringing endorsement, he said they need to upgrade the position. Which doesn't really bode well for Rex coming back again to start.
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