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Old 02-07-2012, 08:42 PM   #661
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The question is: do you think RGIII is better then those QB's right now? and your question is the exact question I'm trying to get you to. Why would a team trade away a franchise QB for RGIII if they already have one? they wouldn't, unless they are not franchise QB's.

So I'm "assuming" your thinking the Rams will not trade Bradford, the Vikes wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Ponder, the Bucks wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Freeman, and the Browns wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over McCoy. Right? thats essentially what your saying... those other QB's are franchise QB's and their respective teams will want them and RGIII will fall to the Redskins at #6. and all I'm saying is it aint happening. I think several fans here see RGIII as an upgrade over Bradford to include me, an upgrade over Ponder, an upgrade over Freeman easily, an upgrade over McCoy. So I'd be shocked if RGIII simply fell to #6.

Do I think those other QB's can be franchise QB's? probably if they are in the right scheme and their talents used properly along with a few yrs of developement. But in this day and age of instant gratification I see no way the 4 teams above us simply say "no, were happy with what we got and can wait for our QB to become a franchise QB if they ever do."
This is why the whole concept of a franchise quarterback is dumb. Winning organizations think in terms of percentages, points, and wins. They do not think in terms of franchise marketability of the quarterback position.

You always start by doing a film analysis of your own players. If you feel like the quarterback is limiting your offense, the only relative question is how many more estimated points would we be likely to score if you switch at that position.

So lets say that Robert Griffin's sack projection as a rookie on the Cleveland Browns is 7.73%. McCoy was sacked at a 6.5% (7.4% for his career) clip last year, so that's actually a downgrade. So then you need a certain number of air yard improvement from the QB position to offset the downgrade. You'd need to essentially project Robert Griffin to have Cam Newton's rookie year as a thrower. Then you have to consider what you are giving up to get Griffin. Can you get anything for McCoy in a trade?

These are important decisions that the Browns have to make, re: RG3. If they conclude that Greg Little is going to drop third down passes no matter who the quarterback is, and AYPA (air yards per attempt) is going to remain low when you have Little and Massaquoi as your receivers, then the problem you want to fix is not going to be fixed by Robert Griffin. How "franchisezy" he is will not factor into consideration.

The Redskins will have to do a similar analysis, though in their case, they know that they can't conclude that the status quo is viable. Still, Griffin is going to have a set value to the Redskins, and you can't go well over that value to acquire the player, otherwise, you're hurting your team.

I think the Redskins have reached the conclusion that Andrew Luck is really very valuable to them: he might be the difference in the careers of Leonard Hankerson, Fred Davis, Roy Helu, plus whoever else the Redskins might draft this year. I think they like Griffin a lot and would start him from day one if they can get him, but ultimately remember that the team who is going to get Robert Griffin is the team that overvalues him by the most.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:32 PM   #662
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I think there's a decent chance of RGIII falling to #6, assuming nobody trades up. The Colts are definitely looking for a QB, and the Browns could be. The Vikings and Bucs aren't taking a QB. Neither are the Rams, unless they deal Bradford.
I think if trades were disallowed then RGIII would fall to us...I strongly believe though that someone will trade up to get RGIII. If he is available at 6 it would be a shocker right?

Tripp is right...whoever ends up with him will very very likely be overpaying.
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Well, that just solidifies the thought that signing Peyton Manning is the right thing to do for the Redskins!
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Well, that just solidifies the thought that signing Peyton Manning is the right thing to do for the Redskins!
Exactly what I was thinking.

How many times have we heard Joey blow smoke up our butts over other players he thought were so great, but now he doesn't want one of the best of all time?

Sign me up for Manning.
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Exactly what I was thinking.

How many times have we heard Joey blow smoke up our butts over other players he thought were so great, but now he doesn't want one of the best of all time?

Sign me up for Manning.
Love Joe Theismann...if for anything, for pure entertainment value and of course being a part of the glory years with the Redskins...but yeah, he's a lame brain when it comes to evaluation of on-field talent.

I'm on the bandwagon with you, welcome Peyton Manning.
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MS: You think you can win in DC?

PM: I'm Peyton F'ing Manning, what do you think?
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MS: You think you can win in DC?

PM: I'm Peyton F'ing Manning, what do you think?
Speaking of this, Rich Tandler just posted this, which I completely agree with...

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I've said this before but if Mike/Kyle Shanahan can't figure out a way to make things work with P. Manning both should be fired now.
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Speaking of this, Rich Tandler just posted this, which I completely agree with...

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I've said this before but if Mike/Kyle Shanahan can't figure out a way to make things work with P. Manning both should be fired now.
Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.
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I've always liked the idea of at least reaching out to Manning, but I didn't really think it was a possibility. After talking to more people, I think I have to accept that it's more than just a rumor.
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Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.
Of course Peyton doesn't come w/the issues McNabb did, but I think the McNabb analogy is still relevant, if only because both 1) are old, 2) been only w/one team/system, and 3) the skins have a rep for such signings not working.

In addition to that, PM has health issues. I agree w/Theisman on this one, I actually think signing Peyton is a pretty big risk for Shanny even if he's declared fully healthy. If he could draft his future qb in 1st or 2nd & sign Petyon it would give him something to fall back on. I hope Smoot's info proves true & we are not interested.
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New link from Rotoworld.
Hope it already has not been posted here.......

Ten-Point Stance: Peyton as a free agent still won't top Reggie circus - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice
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Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.
Manning is not McNabb but the situation is similar. When they got Mcnabb they seemed content with that and did nothing to secure the position long term...and then when it didn't work they tossed Rex in there. I hope they learned their lesson and think beyond just the 2012 starter...
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Manning is not McNabb but the situation is similar. When they got Mcnabb they seemed content with that and did nothing to secure the position long term...and then when it didn't work they tossed Rex in there. I hope they learned their lesson and think beyond just the 2012 starter...
Similar situation but completely different players. I would definitely hope the plan would include developing a rookie behind him.
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