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Old 01-29-2012, 10:24 AM   #91
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Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

Big thanks to SS for posting this.

For the non-believers please know that SS isn't going to just toss something against the wall to see if it sticks. A lot of times he lets the mods know about info he has, but he holds back before letting everyone else know until he can confirm it with other sources.

So if he's posting something here for everyone to see, it's more than just a rumor, it's something that has some potential.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:32 AM   #92
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It amazes me how many Redskins fans are still willing to roll the dice on yet another free agent QB band-aid. When is enough enough?
It amazes me how many fans are willing to give away the store for the opportunity to roll the dice on a QB that has never played a down in the pros. Brett Favre was a heck of a band-aid for GB. I wonder if the Saints think Drew Brees is a band-aid. I wonder if the Eagles think Vick is a band-aid.

I never got the impression the Skins let BJ walk, it seemed to me they told him to take a hike when they brought in Jeff George.

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It amazes me how many fans are willing to give away the store for the opportunity to roll the dice on a QB that has never played a down in the pros.

I never got the impression the Skins let BJ walk, it seemed to me they told him to take a hike when they brought in Jeff George.
The teams that win consistently are the ones with the great QB's. For the most part these QB's go at the top of the draft. The list of Tom Brady late round QB success stories or Drew Brees free agent jackpots are very short ones. Any thing is a gamble but in this case Luck is said to be the best prospect since Elway and Bradford was a #1 overall pick just 2 years ago who Shanny is on record saying he loved and reportedly tried to get in the draft. I will put my eggs in either of those baskets. If you don't have a QB you have NOTHING...
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It amazes me how many Redskins fans are still willing to roll the dice on yet another free agent QB band-aid. When is enough enough?
Enough was enough some time ago. I agree that we need to stop shopping for QB's at K-Mart and go to Bloomingdale's instead.
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Smoot & SC,

Thanks for letting us get a peek into the inner workings of franchise this offseason. Whether or not these potential trades are executed, it shows me that the Skins front office is headed in the right direction. We have been without a franchise signal caller since forever. When was theblast time a Skins QB was even selected to the Pro Bowl?

Our franchise is stuck in the mire of averageness until we get a young QB who we can build a dynasty with. MS knows QB's....I am all for having him go hard after the one(s) he and KS feel are elite.

For The Record: the couple of years that I have been browsing this site, Smoot has never done anything to make me doubt his intel. I would consider his intel beyond reproach.
(Except the Jevan Snead crush a couple years back)
Well..the Snead crush was more for comedic effect than anything else...but thank god no one remembers when I said "I'm not so sure about Aaron Rodgers, wouldn't surprise me to see Ingle Martin give him a run"
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The teams that win consistently are the ones with the great QB's. For the most part these QB's go at the top of the draft. The list of Tom Brady late round QB success stories or Drew Brees free agent jackpots are very short ones. Any thing is a gamble but in this case Luck is said to be the best prospect since Elway and Bradford was a #1 overall pick just 2 years ago who Shanny is on record saying he loved and reportedly tried to get in the draft. I will put my eggs in either of those baskets. If you don't have a QB you have NOTHING...
I agree, you gotta have a QB. You also have to have people who can do something with the ball after he throws it to them, the Skins dont have that either. If they can get Luck or Bradford for a reasonable price than I say do it.

I also dont have a problem with trading Orakpo as part of this because you have to trade value to get value.
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I'm afraid that whoever the Skins get will fail here.
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Me too. Our track record with QBs has been pretty crappy the last decade plus.
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The Tony Banks to Shane Matthews transition doesn't make you all tingly inside?

I'd love either scenario... Things will be much clearer in the coming weeks as Mannings fate is decided.

Question for SS, if Manning is released prior to his bonus date, which precedes the league year beginning, can teams speak to him/evaluate his status prior to free agency?
As I understand it yes.

And thank you to SC for his collaboration on this.
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Who the hell is "SC" for crying out loud!?
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I agree, you gotta have a QB. You also have to have people who can do something with the ball after he throws it to them, the Skins dont have that either. If they can get Luck or Bradford for a reasonable price than I say do it.

I also dont have a problem with trading Orakpo as part of this because you have to trade value to get value.
There is almost no price I wouldn't pay for Luck...for Bradford I would expect to pay a little less since last season had to hurt his value somewhat.

I do agree that we probably need a true #1 WR...but as I keep saying I don't think it's fair to draw any conclusions overall on what we have at WR in light of our awful QB play. WR in general with very few exceptions are a product of the QB and the efficiency of the overall offense. Look at the Colts WR production without Manning. And does anyone really think if Jordy Nelson were a Redskin last year he would have been productive? No...he would have been about as productive as Niles Paul was...
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I don't like the idea of trading Orakpo. Don't like it at all.
Neither do I, but look at the NFL playoffs, if you do not have a QB you are not making a run at a Superbowl. I love Orakpo, but if we can get Luck........... SEE YA!!!!!

In no particular order
Rogers
Manning
Stafford
Ryan
Brady
Rothlesberger (sp)
Flacco

That is 7 of your top 10 QB's in this league and 2 of them are going to the big game.
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Dont be stupid people.

Orakpos a good player, but his value doesn't even approach that of a franchise qb.

Bradford > orakpo and our 1st round pick.

Luck > our first and 2nd this year, 1st next year, orakpo, and Trent Williams.

We are not going to get a franchise qb without giving up ALOT.
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There is almost no price I wouldn't pay for Luck...for Bradford I would expect to pay a little less since last season had to hurt his value somewhat.

I do agree that we probably need a true #1 WR...but as I keep saying I don't think it's fair to draw any conclusions overall on what we have at WR in light of our awful QB play. WR in general with very few exceptions are a product of the QB and the efficiency of the overall offense. Look at the Colts WR production without Manning. And does anyone really think if Jordy Nelson were a Redskin last year he would have been productive? No...he would have been about as productive as Niles Paul was...
Kyle Shanny said on the radio on Fri that he didnt think Rex played too bad. He said Rex had waaaaay too may turnovers but did move the ball pretty good. He felt the bigger problem was that once Rex completed a pass it was usually not run for many yds and never had a pass run in for a TD. He felt that QB was one of the many areas where the Skins needed to improve.
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I never got the impression the Skins let BJ walk, it seemed to me they told him to take a hike when they brought in Jeff George.
I think this sums up most Skins personnel decisions since JKC's death. In his one full starting season here, Johnson threw for over 4000 yards and had a qb rating of 90. But he wasn't a "franchise qb" so he was kicked to the curb for a sexy former number 1 overall pick. Johnson went on to win a Super Bowl and the Skins keep cycling through qb's.
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