I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

skinsfaninok · 01-29-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CapitalDefense

Neither do I, but look at the NFL playoffs, if you do not have a QB you are not making a run at a Superbowl. I love Orakpo, but if we can get Luck........... SEE YA!!!!!

In no particular order
Rogers
Manning
Stafford
Ryan
Brady
Rothlesberger (sp)
Flacco

That is 7 of your top 10 QB's in this league and 2 of them are going to the big game.

Joe flacco is not a top ten qb

GTripp0012 · 01-29-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Joe flacco is not a top ten qb

Top Nine in Total QBR this year:

1. Rodgers
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Romo
5. Ryan
6. Schaub
7. Stafford
8. Rivers
9. Roethlisberger

As long as Peyton's active, he can't drop out of the top ten

Your next four:

Michael Vick
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck
Eli Manning

redskinjim · 01-29-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

It amazes me how many fans are willing to give away the store for the opportunity to roll the dice on a QB that has never played a down in the pros. Brett Favre was a heck of a band-aid for GB. I wonder if the Saints think Drew Brees is a band-aid. I wonder if the Eagles think Vick is a band-aid.

I never got the impression the Skins let BJ walk, it seemed to me they told him to take a hike when they brought in Jeff George.

danny boy threw brad out he was in love with jeff georges arm strength

GTripp0012 · 01-29-2012, 12:38 PM

Here's your Eli Manning conundrum: Manning spent a lot of his career playing with stiffs like Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress, and his biggest weapon for a while was either Tiki Barber on screen passes, or Jeremy Shockey. He got his first true no. 1 WR (at least by the standards of the modern game; Toomer and Burress were adequate for the 2005 passing environment) in 2009. The best receiver he ever played with is Victor Cruz, who was undrafted and signed in Manning's seventh season, then spent a year on IR.

Could that have all been avoided if the Giants hadn't traded so much to get Manning? Maybe, maybe not. But if the payoff to trading up for a guy is one pro bowl before the age of 30, typically, your coach (at least) gets fired because of that trade, right?

I'm not saying Eli Manning hasn't been a successful quarterback for the Giants, but it took the guy who made the trade (Ernie Accorsi) retiring and getting a new personnel guy (Jerry Reese) in there to get the Giants over the top in the playoffs. Manning/Coughlin/Accorsi was essentially no better than Brunell/Gibbs/Cerrato or Bledsoe/Parcells/Jones. Manning only separated the Giants from the Redskins and the Cowboys deep into his career when the Giants started having really strong drafts.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-29-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Everyone assumes that Luck will be the next Aaron Rogers or Manning. What if we spend all those picks and Luck is the next Heath Shuler. Let's not forget that the Rams with Bradford are still picking second in the draft because they don't have quality players around him. We need quality talent and great depth more than we need a franchise QB.

That is the exact opposite of what we need.

CapitalDefense · 01-29-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Kyle Shanny said on the radio on Fri that he didnt think Rex played too bad. He said Rex had waaaaay too may turnovers but did move the ball pretty good. He felt the bigger problem was that once Rex completed a pass it was usually not run for many yds and never had a pass run in for a TD. He felt that QB was one of the many areas where the Skins needed to improve.

Yep, it is no secret that we have no play makers on offense outside of a drug addict TE.

Hankerson showed some flashes maybe he will pan out

Get the QB first though

CapitalDefense · 01-29-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Joe flacco is not a top ten qb

Ok replace Flacco with Brees, my bad, the argument still stands.

IrMitchell · 01-29-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've been through this. I've been "in the biz" for 15 years. I don't get everything right but members here were the first to know about:

Betts' new contract
Our interest in Andre Carter
Our interest in Haynesworth
That we were going to draft Trent Williams
Sign Grossman
Sign Torain
Not be interested in Peppers
Dockery's crazy contract figures before he sign with Buffalo
Steve Jackson's firing
Keenan's firing
That we were going to draft Hankerson

And so on

Fair enough, like I said.. No disrespect, I'm just surprised that these type of things would be getting tossed around outside of the big guys.

IrMitchell · 01-29-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why do you even bother responding to the peanut gallery SS?...lol I'm glad we have so few like him that act like that. Most of us understand the deal and realize the information is changing constantly.

Lol, ya because I'm not aware of this.

He answered me because I was curious, don't get offended by it or anything.

Lotus · 01-29-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I'm trying to think of a team with a franchise QB that gave up the farm to get him.

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Cutler

Good example Alvin. Also Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, and Sanchize. Also, arguably, Kolb, Tebow, and Gabbert, depending on how one defines "franchise QB" and how one defines "giving up the farm."

The fact is, teams regularly give up a lot if it means they can land their QB guy.

SmootSmack · 01-29-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Fair enough, like I said.. No disrespect, I'm just surprised that these type of things would be getting tossed around outside of the big guys.

The big guys? Who are they?

mooby · 01-29-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The big guys? Who are they?

Colin Cowherd.

IrMitchell · 01-29-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The big guys? Who are they?

Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and whoever they want to include into their ideas.

SmootSmack · 01-29-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and whoever they want to include into their ideas.

Ah I see. Well it's certainly harder than when Cerrato was there or when I was going to Redskin Park all the time. But I still have my ways.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-29-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ah I see. Well it's certainly harder than when Cerrato was there or when I was going to Redskin Park all the time. But I still have my ways.

It's amazing what toture will do for you isn't it?

01-29-2012, 12:38 PM	#124
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,152	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) Here's your Eli Manning conundrum: Manning spent a lot of his career playing with stiffs like Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress, and his biggest weapon for a while was either Tiki Barber on screen passes, or Jeremy Shockey. He got his first true no. 1 WR (at least by the standards of the modern game; Toomer and Burress were adequate for the 2005 passing environment) in 2009. The best receiver he ever played with is Victor Cruz, who was undrafted and signed in Manning's seventh season, then spent a year on IR. Could that have all been avoided if the Giants hadn't traded so much to get Manning? Maybe, maybe not. But if the payoff to trading up for a guy is one pro bowl before the age of 30, typically, your coach (at least) gets fired because of that trade, right? I'm not saying Eli Manning hasn't been a successful quarterback for the Giants, but it took the guy who made the trade (Ernie Accorsi) retiring and getting a new personnel guy (Jerry Reese) in there to get the Giants over the top in the playoffs. Manning/Coughlin/Accorsi was essentially no better than Brunell/Gibbs/Cerrato or Bledsoe/Parcells/Jones. Manning only separated the Giants from the Redskins and the Cowboys deep into his career when the Giants started having really strong drafts. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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