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Old 01-29-2012, 12:31 PM   #121
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It amazes me how many fans are willing to give away the store for the opportunity to roll the dice on a QB that has never played a down in the pros. Brett Favre was a heck of a band-aid for GB. I wonder if the Saints think Drew Brees is a band-aid. I wonder if the Eagles think Vick is a band-aid.

I never got the impression the Skins let BJ walk, it seemed to me they told him to take a hike when they brought in Jeff George.
danny boy threw brad out he was in love with jeff georges arm strength
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:38 PM   #122
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Here's your Eli Manning conundrum: Manning spent a lot of his career playing with stiffs like Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress, and his biggest weapon for a while was either Tiki Barber on screen passes, or Jeremy Shockey. He got his first true no. 1 WR (at least by the standards of the modern game; Toomer and Burress were adequate for the 2005 passing environment) in 2009. The best receiver he ever played with is Victor Cruz, who was undrafted and signed in Manning's seventh season, then spent a year on IR.

Could that have all been avoided if the Giants hadn't traded so much to get Manning? Maybe, maybe not. But if the payoff to trading up for a guy is one pro bowl before the age of 30, typically, your coach (at least) gets fired because of that trade, right?

I'm not saying Eli Manning hasn't been a successful quarterback for the Giants, but it took the guy who made the trade (Ernie Accorsi) retiring and getting a new personnel guy (Jerry Reese) in there to get the Giants over the top in the playoffs. Manning/Coughlin/Accorsi was essentially no better than Brunell/Gibbs/Cerrato or Bledsoe/Parcells/Jones. Manning only separated the Giants from the Redskins and the Cowboys deep into his career when the Giants started having really strong drafts.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:43 PM   #123
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Everyone assumes that Luck will be the next Aaron Rogers or Manning. What if we spend all those picks and Luck is the next Heath Shuler. Let's not forget that the Rams with Bradford are still picking second in the draft because they don't have quality players around him. We need quality talent and great depth more than we need a franchise QB.
That is the exact opposite of what we need.
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Kyle Shanny said on the radio on Fri that he didnt think Rex played too bad. He said Rex had waaaaay too may turnovers but did move the ball pretty good. He felt the bigger problem was that once Rex completed a pass it was usually not run for many yds and never had a pass run in for a TD. He felt that QB was one of the many areas where the Skins needed to improve.
Yep, it is no secret that we have no play makers on offense outside of a drug addict TE.

Hankerson showed some flashes maybe he will pan out

Get the QB first though
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:55 PM   #125
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Joe flacco is not a top ten qb
Ok replace Flacco with Brees, my bad, the argument still stands.
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We've been through this. I've been "in the biz" for 15 years. I don't get everything right but members here were the first to know about:

Betts' new contract
Our interest in Andre Carter
Our interest in Haynesworth
That we were going to draft Trent Williams
Sign Grossman
Sign Torain
Not be interested in Peppers
Dockery's crazy contract figures before he sign with Buffalo
Steve Jackson's firing
Keenan's firing
That we were going to draft Hankerson

And so on
Fair enough, like I said.. No disrespect, I'm just surprised that these type of things would be getting tossed around outside of the big guys.
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Old 01-29-2012, 01:06 PM   #127
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Why do you even bother responding to the peanut gallery SS?...lol I'm glad we have so few like him that act like that. Most of us understand the deal and realize the information is changing constantly.
Lol, ya because I'm not aware of this.

He answered me because I was curious, don't get offended by it or anything.
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Old 01-29-2012, 01:10 PM   #128
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I'm trying to think of a team with a franchise QB that gave up the farm to get him.
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Good example Alvin. Also Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, and Sanchize. Also, arguably, Kolb, Tebow, and Gabbert, depending on how one defines "franchise QB" and how one defines "giving up the farm."

The fact is, teams regularly give up a lot if it means they can land their QB guy.
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Fair enough, like I said.. No disrespect, I'm just surprised that these type of things would be getting tossed around outside of the big guys.
The big guys? Who are they?
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The big guys? Who are they?
Colin Cowherd.
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The big guys? Who are they?
Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and whoever they want to include into their ideas.
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Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and whoever they want to include into their ideas.
Ah I see. Well it's certainly harder than when Cerrato was there or when I was going to Redskin Park all the time. But I still have my ways.
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Ah I see. Well it's certainly harder than when Cerrato was there or when I was going to Redskin Park all the time. But I still have my ways.
It's amazing what toture will do for you isn't it?
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Yes, if Mannning or any other player is released now that player is up for grabs by any team in the league. The same goes for any player who is a free agent now. TO for example could be signed by anyone right now.

When the league year begins in March is when players like Laron Landry will be available for any team to sign. Or players like Vjax, Desean and all other FA. These players contracts don't officially end till the league year begins, so until then they are still the property of their respective teams.

Is that clear or do you have another question pertaining to FA and when they are available to sign.
Well obviously players who are still under contract with their current teams (like the projected UFA) are off limits but I wasn't sure how the new CBA was written pertaining to players released during the existing league year but after all games were completed. I'm not a moron, just seeking clarification.
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It depends what the ultimate reward is. The AFC has only sent three different teams to the Super Bowl since 2002. The NFC has sent pretty much anyone. Including the Cardinals and almost the Alex Smith 49ers.

What I'm saying is that there's been no formula to make the super bowl in the NFC beyond having a good season and a great playoff run. There's no question that being great at the quarterback position is going to help you, but I would say no more than being able to shut down an opponent's great quarterback. We never talk about how the Redskins haven't been able to do the latter in about five years, while the former gets all sorts of discussion.

The history of the Redskins (and the Cowboys) suggests that if there's any franchise in pro football that can win consistently without stability at the QB position, it's those large market teams that can throw their weight and money around and develop the best coaching and player development techniques. Small market teams: they're not going to be able to put together much of a run without one signal caller that they can rely on for 10 years or so. But the Redskins absolutely could if they wanted to just go with veterans at quarterback.

I mean, the Redskins are kind of the gold standard for the idea that you can win year to year in the NFL without one guy at the quarterback position making 100 million dollars. San Diego can't win consistently without an elite franchise quarterback, but I still think Washington can.

What about the last 20 years says that is even remotely true?

We have not been a competitive franchise for decades and the one constant has been QB play.

We need to go after someone who has a legitimate shot at fixing our QB problems.

Like I'm saying, if we have a real chance at Luck, we need to take that opportunity by any means necessary.
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