I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

SmootSmack · 01-28-2012, 02:53 PM

So we've got two big rumors at play here.

SC and I have researched this independently but in many ways our information does intersect So let's run through it:

Peyton Manning: Our own sources are telling us it's not an option. Which is what I've been saying. Where he ends up I don't know. I don't think it's so definitive that he won't return to Indy

Robert Griffin 3: Yes, we like him but all this talk of being enamored with him and looking to trade up to get him appears to only be a smokescreen. If he's there at 6, sure. But, as of right now, there's no interest in giving up picks to move up for him. At least, that's what I've heard. I actually am not even sure we'd take him if he's there at 6. But then, I thought the same about Landry

Mark Sanchez: Since I've brought him up before, let me just say that it looks less and less like an option, even if he's available

Matt Flynn: I haven't heard from anyone I trust that we're interested

Brian Hoyer: Patriots want to keep him, but we'd be interested for sure if he is available

Colt McCoy: Haven't heard his name mentioned even once to DC..which is why I keep saying he's the sleeper QB we're going to get

Ok, let's get to the real story here:

Andrew Luck/Sam Bradford: Well, these are the big guns. I'm hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us the #1 pick (Andrew Luck), gets the Colts #2
(RG3, plus picks) and gets the Rams #6 (plus picks and a player). I mean publically no one is talking about this at all, but I know of people inside the organization that are talking about it. Inside the Colts organization that is

SC is hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us Sam Bradford, the Rams #3 and picks and gets the Vikings #6, picks, and Orakpo. We've each heard variations of what the other has heard. On my end the Bradford talk has been a bit quiet in recent weeks as the Luck talk has heated up (incidentally who was it here that said Orton to the Colts? Because that's apparently very much a
possibility). Incidentally, no rumors I've heard involving Bradford coming to the Redskins include the Vikings. So if that happens, that's all SC.

Getting Luck would seem to be a bit more unattainable than getting Bradford, but it may not be. But bottom line: The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other. Also, they plan on adding two QBs this offseason (not Luck & Bradford, of course). And, I know you guys thought I was crazy when I brought it up this fall and when I didn't lock the thread someone else had started on the possibility, but we're shopping Orakpo in order to get our QB. Maybe other players as well, thought not Trent Williams. But especially Orakpo

And for those few of you who I have already talked to about this, it appears the # of picks may be a bit
less than originally mentioned for Luck. Actually considerably less, but it's still potentially a handful. But apparently nothing below our 2nd this year

And I realize the notion of being able to get Luck seems absurd but we wouldn't bring it up if we didn't think the sources suggesting it weren't reliable.

If you want to know if I think we'll actually land Luck or Bradford...I'd be surprised. (I don't even think we're drafting any QB in the first round for that matter). My own gut at this time says we're signing/trading for a veteran, and someone like Wilson or Keenum in the last rounds. I've heard Cousins is at the top of our 2nd tier, meaning after Luck/Bradford. So good prediction there Tripp. But Luck/Bradford are who I'm told is at the top of their board. ...And it's only January

tryfuhl · 01-28-2012, 03:07 PM

Oh the anticipation.. imagine Bradford and Blackmon. Or Luck alone

Chico23231 · 01-28-2012, 03:14 PM

Well at least we are going after the best of the best. To get either Luck or Bradford would be great.

mbedner3420 · 01-28-2012, 03:23 PM

So we give picks to both the colts and the rams? Kinda sucks...

NM Redskin · 01-28-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

So we give picks to both the colts and the rams? Kinda sucks...

But we would have Luck!

musicmaster45 · 01-28-2012, 03:36 PM

Yea interesting the new cap rules really made trades that used to seem ridiculous more plausible.

diehardskin2982 · 01-28-2012, 03:41 PM

I understand the thought process for the Skins, they need their guy. Recently, Kyle said that we need an explosive wideout. So I am interested to see how we can get that player and still do these deals.

Meks · 01-28-2012, 03:42 PM

dislike bradford, we'll have to give up too much for luck but, he's a safe bet... for years, my tune is kind of changing on that note...

Ruhskins · 01-28-2012, 03:47 PM

I have this funny feeling that what SS is saying about not drafting a QB in the first round is actually going to happen. I can see the team drafting a defensive player (again) in the first round and having some half-a$$ed situation at QB going into next season. And once again, we'll be having the same discussions about getting a QB next offseason. Bleh.

diehardskin2982 · 01-28-2012, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I have this funny feeling that what SS is saying about not drafting a QB in the first round is actually going to happen. I can see the team drafting a defensive player (again) in the first round and having some half-a$$ed situation at QB going into next season. And once again, we'll be having the same discussions about getting a QB next offseason. Bleh.

I don't think that will happen because Shanny is on the hot seat. He can not go into the next season with a fiasco at qb like last year. That was an imbarassment for the franchise and him.

celts32 · 01-28-2012, 03:54 PM

This sentence makes me giddy..."The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other."

The Goat · 01-28-2012, 03:58 PM

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

NM Redskin · 01-28-2012, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Goat

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

Some see the glass half empty, some see it half full. You pretty much see it full of sand.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-28-2012, 04:03 PM

I don't like the idea of trading Orakpo. Don't like it at all.

celts32 · 01-28-2012, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Goat

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

Respectfully disagree with every word of this post.

Who said Orakpo wanted to be traded? The Redskins shopping Orakpo and Orakpo wanting to be traded are two entirely different things...

01-28-2012, 03:23 PM	#4
mbedner3420 The Starter Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,588	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) So we give picks to both the colts and the rams? Kinda sucks...

01-28-2012, 03:41 PM	#7
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,925	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I understand the thought process for the Skins, they need their guy. Recently, Kyle said that we need an explosive wideout. So I am interested to see how we can get that player and still do these deals. __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

01-28-2012, 03:42 PM	#8
Meks The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 27 Posts: 1,751	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) dislike bradford, we'll have to give up too much for luck but, he's a safe bet... for years, my tune is kind of changing on that note... __________________ NFL officiating is BY FAR the worst in proffessional sports. Except no substitutions... worse or not!! R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

01-28-2012, 03:47 PM	#9
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,614	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I have this funny feeling that what SS is saying about not drafting a QB in the first round is actually going to happen. I can see the team drafting a defensive player (again) in the first round and having some half-a$$ed situation at QB going into next season. And once again, we'll be having the same discussions about getting a QB next offseason. Bleh. __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

01-28-2012, 03:54 PM	#11
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,644	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) This sentence makes me giddy..."The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other." __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

01-28-2012, 02:53 PM	#1
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,220	I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) So we've got two big rumors at play here. SC and I have researched this independently but in many ways our information does intersect So let's run through it: Peyton Manning: Our own sources are telling us it's not an option. Which is what I've been saying. Where he ends up I don't know. I don't think it's so definitive that he won't return to Indy Robert Griffin 3: Yes, we like him but all this talk of being enamored with him and looking to trade up to get him appears to only be a smokescreen. If he's there at 6, sure. But, as of right now, there's no interest in giving up picks to move up for him. At least, that's what I've heard. I actually am not even sure we'd take him if he's there at 6. But then, I thought the same about Landry Mark Sanchez: Since I've brought him up before, let me just say that it looks less and less like an option, even if he's available Matt Flynn: I haven't heard from anyone I trust that we're interested Brian Hoyer: Patriots want to keep him, but we'd be interested for sure if he is available Colt McCoy: Haven't heard his name mentioned even once to DC..which is why I keep saying he's the sleeper QB we're going to get Ok, let's get to the real story here: Andrew Luck/Sam Bradford: Well, these are the big guns. I'm hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us the #1 pick (Andrew Luck), gets the Colts #2 (RG3, plus picks) and gets the Rams #6 (plus picks and a player). I mean publically no one is talking about this at all, but I know of people inside the organization that are talking about it. Inside the Colts organization that is SC is hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us Sam Bradford, the Rams #3 and picks and gets the Vikings #6, picks, and Orakpo. We've each heard variations of what the other has heard. On my end the Bradford talk has been a bit quiet in recent weeks as the Luck talk has heated up (incidentally who was it here that said Orton to the Colts? Because that's apparently very much a possibility). Incidentally, no rumors I've heard involving Bradford coming to the Redskins include the Vikings. So if that happens, that's all SC. Getting Luck would seem to be a bit more unattainable than getting Bradford, but it may not be. But bottom line: The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other. Also, they plan on adding two QBs this offseason (not Luck & Bradford, of course). And, I know you guys thought I was crazy when I brought it up this fall and when I didn't lock the thread someone else had started on the possibility, but we're shopping Orakpo in order to get our QB. Maybe other players as well, thought not Trent Williams. But especially Orakpo And for those few of you who I have already talked to about this, it appears the # of picks may be a bit less than originally mentioned for Luck. Actually considerably less, but it's still potentially a handful. But apparently nothing below our 2nd this year And I realize the notion of being able to get Luck seems absurd but we wouldn't bring it up if we didn't think the sources suggesting it weren't reliable. If you want to know if I think we'll actually land Luck or Bradford...I'd be surprised. (I don't even think we're drafting any QB in the first round for that matter). My own gut at this time says we're signing/trading for a veteran, and someone like Wilson or Keenum in the last rounds. I've heard Cousins is at the top of our 2nd tier, meaning after Luck/Bradford. So good prediction there Tripp. But Luck/Bradford are who I'm told is at the top of their board. ...And it's only January __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-28-2012, 03:07 PM	#2
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) Oh the anticipation.. imagine Bradford and Blackmon. Or Luck alone __________________ http://www.twitter.com/RedskinsRT Last edited by tryfuhl; 01-28-2012 at 03:10 PM.

01-28-2012, 03:14 PM	#3
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,908	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) Well at least we are going after the best of the best. To get either Luck or Bradford would be great. __________________ RG3 = Best QB in the East

01-28-2012, 03:36 PM	#6
musicmaster45 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 373	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) Yea interesting the new cap rules really made trades that used to seem ridiculous more plausible. __________________ Shanahann loves the colleges i do...... Purdue and Nebraska FTW!!!!

01-28-2012, 03:58 PM	#12
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,044	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two. Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

01-28-2012, 04:03 PM	#14
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,036	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I don't like the idea of trading Orakpo. Don't like it at all. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

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