How the 49ers/Texans changed my view on Football and how to build the redskins

EARTHQUAKE2689

or "sport" "captain" "governor" any will do.

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biffle

What's funny is that I think you believe you've made some kind of point here.

GTripp0012

Look Einstein, I have made a point. You may be a lost cause. Or not. I don't know you well, just that you like to typecast people and try to tell them what they think.

Maybe when you're older, we will revisit this, mk?

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biffle

No you haven't. You've wrapped nonsense in insults and pretended that equals something intelligent.

What you're trying to do is create a situation where you can claim you're right no matter what. As soon as some non-great QB wins a title you'll be screaming "Told ya! Told ya!". But, until then, you'll just claim that the QBs who do win are only considered great because they won. Wow, look at that. Whatever happens, you're completely hollow argument can't be wrong. How brilliant.

So, go ahead and make an argument why Brady, the Mannings, Brees, Rodgers or Roethlisberger haven't really proven themselves elite. Because that is the whole recent history of title QBs.

That's all that matters. I really don't care what nonsense or what insults you want to attach to it. The facts are there, no matter how much you stomp your feet and stick your fingers in your ears.

mooby

Obviously that's very important. For instance, some would argue without the Giants d-line, there's no way they win the SB because their defense is largely predicated on getting pressure, which they were able to do most of the game despite minimal blitzing. I definitely agree with you in that aspect that the rest of the team around the qb is just as important as the qb itself. My whole point re: franchise qb's is that the better the qb, the better your odds of winning the SB, at least in the last 7 years. I think that's a trend that's going to continue in the NFL for a while.

Which is why I don't want a guy who might be able to get the job done. I want the guy that gives us the best chance of it happening. Whether that's a healthy P. Manning, Luck, RG3, Tannehill, whomever, it doesn't matter. But I honestly don't think Shanny will last here that long if he has to sit Tannehill for a couple of seasons while he learns. We're going into year 3 of the regime. If it looks like we're not improving by the end of year 4, there's no telling what Snyder might do.

Ruhskins

Which is why the two years wasted on McNabb, Rex, and Beck are such a big deal IMO. But I suspect we may be heading in that direction, that of having a 2nd rounder drafted to sit behind a FA QB.

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mooby

I'm starting to warm up to that idea too, if that FA qb is a healthy Manning.

SouperMeister

The Skins have all but ignored the DL and OL in the draft for the last 10 years. There's a reason why the Giants and the 49ers are so stout in the trenches - they have invested heavily there for years. If I've said it once, I've said it dozens of times on this board - great teams are built from the inside out. The Snyder Era has clung to a completely opposite draft philosophy, trading away picks on top of that. I would be perfectly happy if two of the first three picks were linemen. The Skins have been the 110 lb weaklings of the NFC East, and it's time to change that!!!

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SirClintonPortis

I would disagree and argue that the Snyder Era's primary "draft strategy" was precisely trading away mid- and high-round picks for vets or trade ups. Yes, neglecting the Oline and Dline was a problem, but the team's FO not recognizing the value of having picks was the largest issue out of many.

Washington Redskins All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com
From 2003 all the way to 2007, our drafts were either lean in number or in "value"(a bunch 6th and 7th rounders aren't going to help that much).

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Defensewins

The main problem with Snyderatto was they were incredibly terrible at talent evaluation and drafting players period. Regardless of how many picks they gave away or at which potion(s) they concentrated on. The players they did get were awful. The amount of quality starters, and I emphasize 'Quality' starters they drafted was very low. I m not talking about players that started for the Redskins. I am talking about players we drafted that could have started for other teams. Nearly non-existent. Quality and quantity were both an issue, regardless of postilion or quantity of draft picks.
The good teams like Ravens, Texans, Packers, Niners and Patriots have one thing in common, great talent evaluation and great draft classes.

SouperMeister

The other thing that they have going for them is their common philosophy to stockpile draft picks, so even if they miss on a few players, when you're drafting 10-12 a year, there is a better chance on hitting on more players. Of course having 10 picks in the 2008 draft resulted in abject failure due to poor talent and character evaluation by Vinny. Having top-notch talent evaluators is the most important factor, and the book is still out on Shanny. He had a spotty draft record toward the end of his Denver run.

GTripp0012

There's a wide range of quarterback play in there. From the all-time greats to some guys who sometimes don't even get voted to the pro bowl. The average recent super bowl winning quarterback is usually an excellent player. This surprises no one. Sometimes, it's Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, or a first round pick in the infancy of his career. This surprises just you.

I mean, your Schaub argument kind of said everything I needed to say before. You continue to ignore the seasons that the Texans, Jets, 49ers, or Ravens had this year, even though they disprove the idea that only a team with a Manning, Brady or Rodgers can go deep in the playoffs.

And then you tried to set up a false idea that someday, one of those teams win the super bowl, and then that someone is going to gloat that you're wrong and they are right. My whole idea is: why wait? If you're going to admit that you're going to be proven wrong in the future, I don't see what is so awful about calling you on that after a season where Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, and T.J. Yates won playoff games while Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers did not.

I mean, you have just an awful argument.

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