Official Super Bowl Thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Higskin

The Giants have the edge at wide receiver (just barely)

Just barely? Seriously? Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham are in an elite class compared to Moss, Gaffney, and whatever scrub we rolled out as our 3rd wideout this season (not counting Hankerson since he really only saw plenty of time in one game this season before he got hurt. Hankerson is the only one out of those three with a long term future here too.

[biffle]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Pretty much their whole team is better not just Eli.. folks are crazy if they think Manning would make us a true sb team with our offense

Our defense is better. Our run game is significantly better. Pass protection and special teams are close. And I'll take our TEs.

It's really Eli and the WRs.

[NC_Skins]

Adam Carriker @BigPoppaPump94
We beat the Giants twice this year, by a combined score of 51 to 24!!!

I had to remind him who's drafting #6 and who'll be collecting super bowl trophies/rings. Told him to set his goals a bit higher.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by biffle

Our defense is better. Our run game is significantly better. Pass protection and special teams are close. And I'll take our TEs.

It's really Eli and the WRs.

Our LB's are better, too.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You mean like we did with Jason Campbell? No wait...Heath Shuler? wait....you mean Patrick Ramsey.


See, that's the thing, you don't know who's going to hit or who's going to miss. If you throw a ton of picks away, your team will continue to be shitty. If you keep your picks and your QB fails, your team will still be very competitive and you could do well. (49ers)

Are you saying the NFL is the same league now as it was in '94? And when JC came out he was being talked about as a fringe elite qb. I'm talking top of the class. The Giants gambled bigtime on Eli, and they've won bigtime as a result. Look at the qb's who have won SB's recently and identify all the non-franchise ones in there.

Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Peyton, Rosthlisberger, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady in the last 11 years. All of those were considered franchise qb's at the time, save Brady in 01 who was kind of an unknown. My point is, as the league has become a passing league, look at all the recent SB champions. None of them won without significant contributions from their qb at some step of the way.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by biffle

Our defense is better. Our run game is significantly better. Pass protection and special teams are close. And I'll take our TEs.

It's really Eli and the WRs.

I think their defense overall is slightly better, and mainly because of their front 4. When they got healthy and had Osi/Tuck in there, they started wrecking kids. It definitely showed at the end of the season. Their safeties are better as well, but I think our LBs are better and it's probably a push when it comes to the CBs.

[CultBrennan59]

Good super bowl, not as good as the one 4 years ago, but still good none the less. Redskins beat the Giants twice this year, only team to do so!

I'm just stoked for the start of the next season now, FA Draft Training Camp.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Are you saying the NFL is the same league now as it was in '94? And when JC came out he was being talked about as a fringe elite qb. I'm talking top of the class. The Giants gambled bigtime on Eli, and they've won bigtime as a result. Look at the qb's who have won SB's recently and identify all the non-franchise ones in there.

Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Peyton, Rosthlisberger, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady in the last 11 years. All of those were considered franchise qb's at the time, save Brady in 01 who was kind of an unknown. My point is, as the league has become a passing league, look at all the recent SB champions. None of them won without significant contributions from their qb at some step of the way.

I thought Brees was a second rounder?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Are you saying the NFL is the same league now as it was in '94? And when JC came out he was being talked about as a fringe elite qb. I'm talking top of the class. The Giants gambled bigtime on Eli, and they've won bigtime as a result. Look at the qb's who have won SB's recently and identify all the non-franchise ones in there.

Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Peyton, Rosthlisberger, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady in the last 11 years. All of those were considered franchise qb's at the time, save Brady in 01 who was kind of an unknown. My point is, as the league has become a passing league, look at all the recent SB champions. None of them won without significant contributions from their qb at some step of the way.

The difference is, the Giants had ALL the pieces set at the time. They had the core from the 2001 Super Bowl team and really only needed that QB to push them over the top. (lol...kerry collins)


WE on the other hand, don't have all the pieces set. We are severely lacking in areas and if we blow our picks for a QB who may bust, then we will be set back years. However, if we maintain patience and continue to build, we can build this team into a contender while grooming a QB (noles/tannehill).

Throwing your picks (this year and next) away for the "chance" at a franchise QB isn't smart unless you have it all in place. We don't, which is why you can't compare us to the Giants doing this.

Also, Brees was a 2nd rounder.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I just want to see my team play deep into the playoffs and win a SB. Lotus could lineup at QB for all I care.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mooby

Are you saying the NFL is the same league now as it was in '94? And when JC came out he was being talked about as a fringe elite qb. I'm talking top of the class. The Giants gambled bigtime on Eli, and they've won bigtime as a result. Look at the qb's who have won SB's recently and identify all the non-franchise ones in there.

Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Peyton, Rosthlisberger, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady in the last 11 years. All of those were considered franchise qb's at the time, save Brady in 01 who was kind of an unknown. My point is, as the league has become a passing league, look at all the recent SB champions. None of them won without significant contributions from their qb at some step of the way.

Dilfer, Brady, Johnson, Brady winning the super bowl in four consecutive years would have suggested that who your QB was didn't even matter at the beginning of this decade. Furthermore, Brady had two of the best QB seasons of all time in 2007 and 2010, went to the super bowl in 2007 and 2011, and lost both. If the world was truly as QB centric as most claim, the Patriots haven't been the same team since Tom Brady started putting up passing records. That wouldn't make any sense.

In the last three years, there has been a shift in who makes the big game going from the team who holds homefield advantage to the team who can put up the gaudiest passing numbers. The problem with the QB theories is that Alex Smith and Joe Flacco pretty much did as much to take their teams to the super bowl as anyone in the game.

And it's really not that hard to find Alex Smith and Joe Flacco types. But Patrick Willis or Terrell Suggs? Those guys are generational type talents.

The lesson from this season is you need to have special players to make the super bowl. Multiple special players. It doesn't so much matter that you have one of the five best QBs in the league (Eli has never been one of the five best QBs in the league), but you NEED guys who can raise their level of play in the playoffs.

For the better part of 15 weeks, Osi and Tuck nursed their injuries, sat out of practice, and let the injury report make excuses for them. And now they are champions. Apparently, to be truly great in the NFC East, you need to have great raw talents, who are willing to play up to their true potential for about a month. And you need an Eli or a JPP to keep your season afloat.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The difference is, the Giants had ALL the pieces set at the time. They had the core from the 2001 Super Bowl team and really only needed that QB to push them over the top. (lol...kerry collins)


WE on the other hand, don't have all the pieces set. We are severely lacking in areas and if we blow our picks for a QB who may bust, then we will be set back years. However, if we maintain patience and continue to build, we can build this team into a contender while grooming a QB (noles/tannehill).

Throwing your picks (this year and next) away for the "chance" at a franchise QB isn't smart unless you have it all in place. We don't, which is why you can't compare us to the Giants doing this.

Also, Brees was a 2nd rounder.

No team EVER has "all the pieces set." And a franchise QB makes all of your pieces look better. For example, both the Giants and Pats would be middling teams at best without stud QB's.

A big-time QB is worth the price.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by diehard

So what's the tally of SB championships per team now?

6 Wins - Steelers
5 Wins - Cowboys, 49ers
4 Wins - Packers, Giants
3 Wins - Redskins, Raiders, Patriots
2 Wins - Broncos, Colts, Dolphins
1 Win - Chiefs, Bears, Ravens, Rams, Bucs, Saints, Jets

Everyone not mentioned has none.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I just want to see my team play deep into the playoffs and win a SB. Lotus could lineup at QB for all I care.

Nothing wrong with my throwing mechanics. I can throw a party with the best of 'em.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No team EVER has "all the pieces set." And a franchise QB makes all of your pieces look better. For example, both the Giants and Pats would be middling teams at best without stud QB's.

A big-time QB is worth the price.

Yeah, but what difference did that franchise QB make in Carolina this year? They still lost a ton of games.


I'm not saying you need a full deck to go get that QB, but I'm saying that the Giants were loaded in 2004 with talent. It was fortunate for them they landed at the #4 spot so they could make that trade.

We aren't that team. We have too many needs at this point. If we are 3 years removed from a Super Bowl and we are sitting where the Giants were, then by all means I'm for making that move for the QB. Right now, we aren't. Trust me, I want a QB more than you can possibly imagine, but not at the sake of risking it all. Trading 2 drafts of picks would be definitely be putting all your eggs into one basket.