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Old 01-31-2005, 02:29 PM   #16
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Here's my draft & FA strategy:

Trade our 1 pick for a late No. 1 and 2nd round pick
Pick a DE like Pollack, or a DT with the late first pick
Pick a blocking TE (Everett, perhaps) with the 2nd round pick
Trade Gardner for 2nd round pick
Pick an O-lineman with that pick.
Sign Plexico in free agency to address our needs at WR
Sign a center in free agency
If Smoot isn't resigned, Harris starts and we build depth at CB through later round draft picks

Does anyone know if we can reasonably expect Samuels to be traded for a high draft pick?
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Old 01-31-2005, 02:30 PM   #17
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I would like to see Gibbs draft a pass rusher, so the D can truly be the force Gregg Williams wants it to be.

A TE is not a nec. as Cooley will play the TE & H-back positions with authority!

WR is a must position for the Skins & I'm sure Danny Boy will be looking to spend some dough on experience & potential.

I could see Gibbs trading the 1st rd. pick for maybe 2 later draft picks (late 1st & 3rd). Or Gibbs could trade up & grab Mike Williams, who knows at this point...?
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Old 01-31-2005, 02:31 PM   #18
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It seems like the coaches have identified the wide receiver position as the most seriously in need of improvement.

It makes sense to look at the free agent options. I am sure they will make a good evaluation about Plaxico Burress. It sounds like they would like to sign him, because I don't know who else they would bring in as a free agent who they can build around. Is there anyone who knows the free agents available?

I think that Coles has rejected surgery himself because it puts his career in jeopardy. The Redskins hope that he heals but are going forward with the idea that the best they will be able to count on from him is what we saw this past year, minus the effects of the finger injury - a solid performance but a couple of notches below what we hoped when he arrived on the impact meter. Otherwise, if they expected Coles to be at full speed, we wouldn't be talking about the "wide receiver problem."

My guess is that we will draft a wide receiver at #9 - either Troy Williamson or Braylon Edwards. We will probably bring in a free agent as well, possibly Plaxico Burress. I think that so much depends on improving our wide receivers that they will not think that one player, however promising is going to be the answer.
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Old 01-31-2005, 04:18 PM   #19
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WE CANNOT DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST ROUND AND EXPECT IT HELP US NEXT YEAR!!! Sorry but I had to yell that for all to hear. I have said this a million freaking times...good WRs take a couple years to make an impact. You can name like two or three WRs in the last 5 years that came in and offered the type of impact we need at the position. On the other hand...first round RBs, OL, DL and Safties often make big impacts. We have a need with at least one of those positions. Look guys, none of the WRs this year are sure bets by any stretch. If you look at first round WRs the last five years they are remarkably hit or miss. Generally when they hit they hit just a little (see fitzgerald...remember him? the greatest WR in college history he was called. he was also called the next Moss. He was certainly an impact player but not the kind we all want.) and when they miss they miss a lot(see our own Gardner). We are a team built for the next two year which means we need a draft a player that can come in and bw a force for us now. That could be difficult at the 9th spot but they'll be something better than any of the receivers. I might have to poke one of my eyes out if we draft a WR.
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Old 01-31-2005, 05:06 PM   #20
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FRPLG:
Roy Williams
Anquan Boldin
Lee Evans
Michael Clayton
Andre Johnson

There are 4 off the top of my head, and Im sure I could find more receivers that made an impact. That rookie from Dallas made an impact on us, it depends on what you consider impact. Those are the guys that put up big numbers.

Why don't you list 3 Dlinemen that made a splash in their rookie year in the last three years. It'll be a lot harder.
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Old 01-31-2005, 05:24 PM   #21
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WE CANNOT DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST ROUND AND EXPECT IT HELP US NEXT YEAR!!! Sorry but I had to yell that for all to hear...
Like Daseal says there are receivers that do make an impact, but I think you are right that we can't rely on a drafted wide receiver to be the "answer" to our wide receiver problem.

So, I think we will obtain a free agent, and draft a receiver at #9. Our needs are critical at that position, and we need to start developing a receiver for the longer haul here as soon as possible.

Coles is not a #1 receiver in my book until he can get healthy. We have a guy ready to make a real impact in Taylor Jacobs. We have Thrash to provide energy and speed as a backup. We can bring in a free agent receiver, but that isn't a slam dunk cure all. McCants is going to be gone I think and we know Gardner is.

So we can draft a receiver and get a free agent possibly. We can do both.
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Old 01-31-2005, 05:25 PM   #22
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I don't think we have a second round pick?
if u read what i said u would have seen that i sed we trade down in the first and pick up a second, all that being said. i once again said that those were my ideal circumstances. i know they are very unlikely to happen. please read it before saying anyhting. thank u
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Old 01-31-2005, 06:11 PM   #23
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If we take a WR with the 9th pick I would only want Mike Williams. I would rather see us trade down and pick up and mid teens to early 20's and a 2nd rounder. With that I say we take a DE Erasmus James if for some reason he is there if not Marcus Spears or Matt Roth then with the 2nd rounder take Carlos Rodgers if it doesn't look like we will be getting Smoot back. If we do get Smoot back and/or get a 2nd rounder for Gardner I say we seriously look at Fred Gibson. He is a real solid WR with good height and speed. Could be the possession guy everyone thought Gardner would be. With our later picks I say go after O-lineman especially a center. Gibbs and co. are good at finding steals with lineman in the late rounds.
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Old 01-31-2005, 06:15 PM   #24
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if u read what i said u would have seen that i sed we trade down in the first and pick up a second, all that being said. i once again said that those were my ideal circumstances. i know they are very unlikely to happen. please read it before saying anyhting. thank u

My bad C. I wasn't trying to be a smartass. I knew we didn't have either a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I just wasn't sure exactly which one. Relax dogg.
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Old 01-31-2005, 06:23 PM   #25
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I don't want to read too much into this, but I did find it kind of interesting that in his press conference Gibbs reiterated that finding a WR was a priority, as if to say, once again, that the person lined up behind center wasn't reallly the issue regarding the poor offense
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Old 01-31-2005, 07:20 PM   #26
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My bad C. I wasn't trying to be a smartass. I knew we didn't have either a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I just wasn't sure exactly which one. Relax dogg.
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Old 01-31-2005, 10:12 PM   #27
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I can't place his name, but someone mentioned that WR from South Carolina. Anyone think he might be worth picking up in the later rounds provided we don't select a WR with a first round pick or do you think he will be gone by then?
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Old 01-31-2005, 11:18 PM   #28
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I can't place his name, but someone mentioned that WR from South Carolina. Anyone think he might be worth picking up in the later rounds provided we don't select a WR with a first round pick or do you think he will be gone by then?
Troy Williamson, he would be a great pick up in a later round but I have heard some people have him as the second WR in the draft so I don;t think he will last out of the first round but if he does he would be a great pick up in the second round if we get a pick in there. I still wouldn't sleep on Fred Gibson in the 2nd or 3rd round
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Old 01-31-2005, 11:49 PM   #29
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I don't want to read too much into this, but I did find it kind of interesting that in his press conference Gibbs reiterated that finding a WR was a priority, as if to say, once again, that the person lined up behind center wasn't reallly the issue regarding the poor offense
I thought his singling out of the wide receiver position as the top priority was interesting. It says, along with some other comments he made, a few things to me:

1) Coles is no longer regarded as the receiver the Redskins will build around. There will be no surgery, and there is no feeling that we can count on him returning to peak form, though we all hope that it happens.

2) Gibbs said we are going to look at free agency to see if we can get a wide receiver we can build around, and to me what he left unsaid out of politeness is - to replace Coles' role as the cornerstone receiver.

3) Gibbs has very high hopes for Taylor Jacobs and the implication is that Gibbs sees him as a very productive starter in the reasonably near future, and maybe for next season. Yet, he is not seen as the cornerstone at this time.

4) If Jacobs becomes a starter, then he may pair with the cornerstone we hope to get in free agency. That leaves Coles as the #3 receiver.

5) Gibbs talking about free agency and cornerstones does lead me to think he has one receiver in particular in mind: Plaxico Burress. I'm not sure who else is out there as a free agent WR that would be likely to be seen as a cornerstone.

6) Yes, it suggests that Gibbs is saying that the quarterback is not the issue. Patrick Ramsey is seen as a guy who can do all the things you need to win a Super Bowl, and we have a lot of hope that we will have a solid offensive line to protect him - and thereby allow Clinton Portis to have a chance to shine, which in turn will make life much easier on Ramsey.
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Williams-54 817 15.1 8
Boldin- 101 1377 13.6 8
Evans- 48 843 17.6 9
Clayton- 80 1193 14.9 7
Johnson-66 976 14.8 4

These are their first year numbers. With the exception of Boldin(who was one of the "2 or 3" I was referring to) none except maybe Clayton had the type of impact we are looking for. Boldin wasn't even a first round pick while Evans and Clayton were 13th and 15th selections. Of course Johnson was the 3rd pick and Williams the 7th. Some people around here seem to think we can draft a WR and he's going to help us.What I think(and many more qualified draft "experts" think also) is that drafting a WR requires you to assume that he will take at least two years to mature into a real impact player. Impact I think means more than simply the numbers too. Williams, Johnson, Boldin and Clayton didn't do squat to make their teams much better in the rookie campaigns.

On the other hand...
Freeney 46 13.0
Kearse 57 14.5
Peppers 37 12.0
Henderson 54 6.5
Seymour 45 3.0
I would argue these type of guys had at least as much of the type of impact we need at WR. I just think we cannot afford to spend the ninth pick in the draft on a position that is the biggest hit or miss spot historically(well other than QB I would say). With free agency, good scouting and proper draft strategy we can get an impact WR on the market and a WR later in the draft that can take a year or two to mature. We need to also let Jacobs more involved as he seems capable of being a big play guy if he can stay healthy. Lets just take the sure fire type of guy and not jump on the band wagon for skill players like WR. None of the WRs are big time...they just aren't...otherwise they'd be talked about as top five picks. They are probably good NFL receivers(health permitting) but not one of them screams draft me and you'll be happy right away.
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