QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign

redskin29633 · 02-09-2012, 02:39 PM

If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, and its really NOT about the money, then there must be some kind of problem if the Colts let Manning walk. I've said before that risk tolerance is a part of the equation in Manning's return to football. Doctors are like regular people, their opinions vary. I suspect that is going to be the case (is the case) with PM's health, his ability to recover his passing skills, and his risk tolerance for another injury which could be debilitating. Perhaps Irsay just does not want to see PM go through all that as a Colt; perhaps he thinks its time for the Colts to move forward and not look back.

Against that backdrop, I just dont see how it is a good idea for Washington to give up a portion of the team's remaining salary cap space to bring in an aging, injured PM to play QB. Some seem to think we can get him for minimal salary with some incentive package attached. I really doubt that possibility. And even if it works, and PM earns a stack of incentive money, Redskins have still incurred the alternative costs. Money that could have been spent on WRs, safety, offensive linemen, retention of Fletcher at ILB, and a host of other needs.

The Manning plan is a bad one for the Redskins because it diverts us from the rebuilding effort already in motion! We should not stop mid-stream!

For once, I want the Redskins to be sensible, reasonable, measured, thoughtful, and SMART in their approach. Forget about Manning, go with the plan in motion. Stay the course; fans have endured two years of the process to rebuild the football team; keep moving forward with the good plan.

I know we need somebody to play QB; FA QBs are available; sign one. Draft a QB to develop, RGIII or Tannehill, or another of the Shanahans' choice. But dont revert to the pre-Shanahan days of frivolous, ill-advised FA signings. Stay strong and be smart; rebuild the football team the right way!

Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post

DC Tailgate · 02-09-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

JoeRedskin has taught you well

Welp, no need to talk about my favorite kind of pie I guess.

mbedner3420 · 02-09-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by redskin29633

If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, and its really NOT about the money, then there must be some kind of problem if the Colts let Manning walk. I've said before that risk tolerance is a part of the equation in Manning's return to football. Doctors are like regular people, their opinions vary. I suspect that is going to be the case (is the case) with PM's health, his ability to recover his passing skills, and his risk tolerance for another injury which could be debilitating. Perhaps Irsay just does not want to see PM go through all that as a Colt; perhaps he thinks its time for the Colts to move forward and not look back.

Against that backdrop, I just dont see how it is a good idea for Washington to give up a portion of the team's remaining salary cap space to bring in an aging, injured PM to play QB. Some seem to think we can get him for minimal salary with some incentive package attached. I really doubt that possibility. And even if it works, and PM earns a stack of incentive money, Redskins have still incurred the alternative costs. Money that could have been spent on WRs, safety, offensive linemen, retention of Fletcher at ILB, and a host of other needs.

The Manning plan is a bad one for the Redskins because it diverts us from the rebuilding effort already in motion! We should not stop mid-stream!

For once, I want the Redskins to be sensible, reasonable, measured, thoughtful, and SMART in their approach. Forget about Manning, go with the plan in motion. Stay the course; fans have endured two years of the process to rebuild the football team; keep moving forward with the good plan.

I know we need somebody to play QB; FA QBs are available; sign one. Draft a QB to develop, RGIII or Tannehill, or another of the Shanahans' choice. But dont revert to the pre-Shanahan days of frivolous, ill-advised FA signings. Stay strong and be smart; rebuild the football team the right way!

Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post

Does it really divert us, though? We aren't giving away picks for players, we are giving money, which we have in abundance right now - and will have more of soon once we start cutting players. If anything, I could make the case that it only increases the likelihood of continuing our rebuild. If we invest a ton of money in PM, we are handcuffed into acquiring cheaper players through the draft due to limited FA funds. I think (without sources to back this up) we will draft a young QB in the second round and let him sit and learn. The rebuild is still on so don't worry too much.

NYCskinfan82 · 02-09-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

Haha...we got a lot of sources around here lately. Just to be clear...I have no sources.

But If I did I would tell them to give me something about Sam Bradford becoming a Redskin...

Yeah that's news I would love to hear.

BigHairedAristocrat · 02-09-2012, 02:57 PM

Dont tell me what questions 2 and 3 are.

Just tell me if question 1 involves a dirty quarterback trent dilfer endlessly gushed about coming out of college (that we were rumored to want) and a famous 1960s singer with mafia ties.

NYCskinfan82 · 02-09-2012, 02:59 PM

The one thing everyone says on TV is you have to let PM run his system, if that's true then I think it's a bad idea. Why you ask because most of the team knows MS/KS's system. IMO it's easier to teach 1 guy than 22 guys. When PM leaves/retires do we go back to MS/KS's system or stay with PM's system.

redskin29633 · 02-09-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Does it really divert us, though? We aren't giving away picks for players, we are giving money, which we have in abundance right now - and will have more of soon once we start cutting players. If anything, I could make the case that it only increases the likelihood of continuing our rebuild. If we invest a ton of money in PM, we are handcuffed into acquiring cheaper players through the draft due to limited FA funds. I think (without sources to back this up) we will draft a young QB in the second round and let him sit and learn. The rebuild is still on so don't worry too much.

If we can't sign PM for a low salary, then yes, I do think it diverts us because of the multitude of needs that the Redskins have. There is a need for WRs, maybe a TE, a safety, an offensive lineman (or two), re-signing Fletcher, and probably a kick return specialist. I would hate to see money spent on PM that could otherwise be used for any of those purposes. Let's not drag out the rebuilding any longer than necessary by spending high on a high risk veteran QB. Just bad business IMHO.

NYCskinfan82 · 02-09-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Dont tell me what questions 2 and 3 are.

Just tell me if question 1 involves a dirty quarterback trent dilfer endlessly gushed about coming out of college (that we were rumored to want) and a famous 1960s singer with mafia ties.

He really annoys me.

skinsfaninok · 02-09-2012, 03:04 PM

I don't like dilfer either

NC_Skins · 02-09-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redskin29633

If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth,

LOL.

I think they ALL lie worse than politicians. In fact, his back and forth with Peyton this whole time is to make himself look good when he cuts Manning, but the reality of it is, he doesn't want to pay Peyton. Hell, remember before the CBA and he kept using that "OOoo...I'm going to make Peyton the highest paid player" but kept stalling and using the future CBA as an excuse. Bullshit. It's always about the money with them. Always will be.

BigHairedAristocrat · 02-09-2012, 03:18 PM

well i am growing impatient.... i think question 2 may have to do with what the Bears do with Cutler and question 3 has to do with what the cowboys do with romo.

NYCskinfan82 · 02-09-2012, 03:22 PM

Question 3, clearly states go back to question 1.

Mattyk · 02-09-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DC Tailgate

Welp, no need to talk about my favorite kind of pie I guess.

You're gonna do well here.

Ruhskins · 02-09-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by redskin29633

If we can't sign PM for a low salary, then yes, I do think it diverts us because of the multitude of needs that the Redskins have. There is a need for WRs, maybe a TE, a safety, an offensive lineman (or two), re-signing Fletcher, and probably a kick return specialist. I would hate to see money spent on PM that could otherwise be used for any of those purposes. Let's not drag out the rebuilding any longer than necessary by spending high on a high risk veteran QB. Just bad business IMHO.

If I am not mistaken, money-wise, McNabb didn't set us back much. What set us back was using picks to get him and not having a young QB to groom. That said, I don't think we should break the bank for Manning. Although, I wonder how much bargaining power will he have. I mean, while Brees wasn't at the level of Manning when he became a FA (and had had a monster year in SD), his potential health risk led to him only having New Orleans and Miami as possible suitors.

Mattyk · 02-09-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

The one thing everyone says on TV is you have to let PM run his system, if that's true then I think it's a bad idea. Why you ask because most of the team knows MS/KS's system. IMO it's easier to teach 1 guy than 22 guys. When PM leaves/retires do we go back to MS/KS's system or stay with PM's system.

I don't think he has to run his own system, but you do have to give him a lot of freedom and control within the offense. And the system would have to be tweaked to fit his style.

02-09-2012, 02:39 PM	#211
redskin29633 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 151	Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, and its really NOT about the money, then there must be some kind of problem if the Colts let Manning walk. I've said before that risk tolerance is a part of the equation in Manning's return to football. Doctors are like regular people, their opinions vary. I suspect that is going to be the case (is the case) with PM's health, his ability to recover his passing skills, and his risk tolerance for another injury which could be debilitating. Perhaps Irsay just does not want to see PM go through all that as a Colt; perhaps he thinks its time for the Colts to move forward and not look back. Against that backdrop, I just dont see how it is a good idea for Washington to give up a portion of the team's remaining salary cap space to bring in an aging, injured PM to play QB. Some seem to think we can get him for minimal salary with some incentive package attached. I really doubt that possibility. And even if it works, and PM earns a stack of incentive money, Redskins have still incurred the alternative costs. Money that could have been spent on WRs, safety, offensive linemen, retention of Fletcher at ILB, and a host of other needs. The Manning plan is a bad one for the Redskins because it diverts us from the rebuilding effort already in motion! We should not stop mid-stream! For once, I want the Redskins to be sensible, reasonable, measured, thoughtful, and SMART in their approach. Forget about Manning, go with the plan in motion. Stay the course; fans have endured two years of the process to rebuild the football team; keep moving forward with the good plan. I know we need somebody to play QB; FA QBs are available; sign one. Draft a QB to develop, RGIII or Tannehill, or another of the Shanahans' choice. But dont revert to the pre-Shanahan days of frivolous, ill-advised FA signings. Stay strong and be smart; rebuild the football team the right way! Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post

02-09-2012, 02:57 PM	#215
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,812	Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign Dont tell me what questions 2 and 3 are. Just tell me if question 1 involves a dirty quarterback trent dilfer endlessly gushed about coming out of college (that we were rumored to want) and a famous 1960s singer with mafia ties. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

02-09-2012, 02:59 PM	#216
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 43 Posts: 2,976	Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign The one thing everyone says on TV is you have to let PM run his system, if that's true then I think it's a bad idea. Why you ask because most of the team knows MS/KS's system. IMO it's easier to teach 1 guy than 22 guys. When PM leaves/retires do we go back to MS/KS's system or stay with PM's system.

02-09-2012, 03:04 PM	#219
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,994	I don't like dilfer either __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker Last edited by skinsfaninok; 02-09-2012 at 04:44 PM.

02-09-2012, 03:18 PM	#221
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,812	Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign well i am growing impatient.... i think question 2 may have to do with what the Bears do with Cutler and question 3 has to do with what the cowboys do with romo. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

02-09-2012, 03:22 PM	#222
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 43 Posts: 2,976	Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign Question 3, clearly states go back to question 1.

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