Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

CultBrennan59 · 02-11-2012, 01:34 PM

I'd honestly like to get both. Cause theres no guarantee we get griffin, even if attempt to trade up, in the draft. And theres no guarantee that manning can throw the same ever again. One you give up money for, the other you give up money and draft picks for. I dunno, guys this QB situation is looking pretty shaky to me being that we just had to keep winning these meaningless games (seattle, arizona, NY). Think of it like this had we of lost one, just One of those games, we would have been drafting ahead of Cleveland the real major threat of getting griffin.

redskins5044 · 02-11-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'd honestly like to get both. Cause theres no guarantee we get griffin, even if attempt to trade up, in the draft. And theres no guarantee that manning can throw the same ever again. One you give up money for, the other you give up money and draft picks for. I dunno, guys this QB situation is looking pretty shaky to me being that we just had to keep winning these meaningless games (seattle, arizona, NY). Think of it like this had we of lost one, just One of those games, we would have been drafting ahead of Cleveland the real major threat of getting griffin.

The Arizona game was early in the season.

SBXVII · 02-11-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

So I haven't been on the Path in a bit and please present a counter to my points.

Why Peyton would come here:
-Shanny
-Prestige?

Why Peyton wouldn't come here:
-He would be fighting for a playoff spot against his brother twice a year
-Cold weather
-We have missing parts on the offense

Just my two cents.

#1- yes Shanny.
#2- yes he might like to play against his brother twice a yr. he'd get to see him.
#3- I think we are closer to a play off spot vs. any of the other teams who would want and need his services.
#4- Our team was the only team to beat the SB team twice last year.
#5- our defense is better then some would like to believe.

Maybe the Skins offer him the best chance to get to the SB out of all the teams that might still want him, and wouldn't he want to get a second ring to secure his HOF possibilities and to be able to have a second ring like his brother?

biffle · 02-11-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't just pull that scenario from fantasy land.

Yeah, you kind of did. None of those trades you mention have the trading up teams giving up as much as you have us doing, save for the Leaf fiasco.

If next year's first was considered to have the value of this year's second, then we would be giving up more than the full price of the value chart without giving up the two 4ths you include. And every organiztion worth anything realizes a future 1st is worth more than that.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-11-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

3,000+ posts in just over a year.

Someone needs a social life...

No, social networking doesn't count.

Doesn't even come close to my record.

SBXVII · 02-11-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson, Coples, Rieff, Floyd...one of these guys could fall to 6 and have someone jonesing for them. It just takes one smitten team.

All it takes is for two other teams to want the same player. Possibly a OT or DL or maybe a LB.

SBXVII · 02-11-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me Girffin looks like a young Michael Vick with a MUCH better head on his shoulders. I don't think he'll have a problem with his footwork or being under center. If Vick can do it then so can he. He'll have to take real deep drops like Vick does. I just think whoever gets him is going to have to design an offense like Philly has done. A lot of deep stuff and staying in shotgun a lot.

But we won't know until he actually tries. Also I'm sure experts said the same thing about Vince Young.

But yes you are right whoever takes him should and most likely will have to change their design to fit his tallents.

So now the big question.... would the Skins change their scheme or design to fit his abilities or would they force him to fit into their system?

SBXVII · 02-11-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think you've seen anybody suggest they would have to give up their whole 2012 draft. My scenario was a rough draft of the approximate costs give or take a pick or sliding one of those picks down/up. It's still going to take a lot. More than we can afford to give up.

However, based on the points, that's about what it would take.

If we had to give up Orakpo and our 2012 1st for RGIII, I would probably do that providing no other picks were involved.

But... Drew Carey says the points don't matter?

Your points based off of the chart. Thats just a starting point. If it was just the Skins interested in moving up and no one else then yeah thats the cost. Now factor in the Browns, and Miami being interested and then add what the Rams are going to ask as a starting point.

I'm not saying it would happen but I can see the Rams trying to turn it into an auction. Whoever offers the most they will take. Now thats if the Rams don't want RGIII for themselves.

SBXVII · 02-11-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

3,000+ posts in just over a year.

Someone needs a social life...
No, social networking doesn't count.

LOL, I had to go back looking for who you were talking about.

redskin29633 · 02-11-2012, 02:32 PM

Don't really like either option. Both have alternative costs that, IMHO, are too costly for Redskins to seriously consider.

Lotus · 02-11-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'd honestly like to get both. Cause theres no guarantee we get griffin, even if attempt to trade up, in the draft. And theres no guarantee that manning can throw the same ever again. One you give up money for, the other you give up money and draft picks for. I dunno, guys this QB situation is looking pretty shaky to me being that we just had to keep winning these meaningless games (seattle, arizona, NY). Think of it like this had we of lost one, just One of those games, we would have been drafting ahead of Cleveland the real major threat of getting griffin.

To me the QB situation looks hopeful. There are lots of options. And there is a strong chance that RGIII falls to #6.

And if RGIII falls to #6, all of those "fans" rooting for us to lose will no longer be traitors with an ill-considered cause. They will be just plain traitors.

los panda · 02-11-2012, 03:43 PM

i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates.

44Deezel · 02-11-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

But we won't know until he actually tries. Also I'm sure experts said the same thing about Vince Young.

But yes you are right whoever takes him should and most likely will have to change their design to fit his tallents.

So now the big question.... would the Skins change their scheme or design to fit his abilities or would they force him to fit into their system?

If he can't drop back and be an elite passer in a pro style system I don't want him. Big Ben, Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. That's the kind of QB play that wins Super Bowls. Give me a guy like that. If RGIII needs a special offense that caters to his unique skillset then we shouldn't be trading up to get him. I don't want to rely on his legs and am not interested in a gimmicky offense. Let some other team run with that experiment. Until I see someone win it all like that, count me not interested.

For the record, I'm in the neither camp unless RGIII falls to 6 and the Shanny's assess him to be an ideal fit for their system.

skinsfaninok · 02-11-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by los panda

i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates.

So you've trained w him?

skinsfaninok · 02-11-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

If he can't drop back and be an elite passer in a pro style system I don't want him. Big Ben, Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. That's the kind of QB play that wins Super Bowls. Give me a guy like that. If RGIII needs a special offense that caters to his unique skillset then we shouldn't be trading up to get him. I don't want to rely on his legs and am not interested in a gimmicky offense. Let some other team run with that experiment. Until I see someone win it all like that, count me not interested.

How many sbs has Vick won? Exactly

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02-11-2012, 01:34 PM	#181
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,594	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I'd honestly like to get both. Cause theres no guarantee we get griffin, even if attempt to trade up, in the draft. And theres no guarantee that manning can throw the same ever again. One you give up money for, the other you give up money and draft picks for. I dunno, guys this QB situation is looking pretty shaky to me being that we just had to keep winning these meaningless games (seattle, arizona, NY). Think of it like this had we of lost one, just One of those games, we would have been drafting ahead of Cleveland the real major threat of getting griffin. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

02-11-2012, 02:32 PM	#190
redskin29633 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 151	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice Don't really like either option. Both have alternative costs that, IMHO, are too costly for Redskins to seriously consider.

02-11-2012, 03:43 PM	#192
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,852	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates. __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

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