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Old 02-11-2012, 03:54 PM   #196
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So you've trained w him?
no. believe it or not, i have not trained with peyton manning.
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Exactly. And how many games does he miss each year?
Eagles Oline was pretty bad this season, and quite often he would stay in the pocket instead of leaving it.
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Eagles Oline was pretty bad this season, and quite often he would stay in the pocket instead of leaving it.
The point is vick is not a traditional passer and has rare talents but can never make the throw needed to be clutch. Rg3 is very similar to that and it's why I'd be worried ntm running qb s don't last long
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no. believe it or not, i have not trained with peyton manning.
I've seen some say his arm is fine and some say it's still a work in progress so who knows
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Because RGIII is a run first QB right?
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I've seen some say his arm is fine and some say it's still a work in progress so who knows
i know that this is going to continue into the summer. if passes a team physical and shows a team his laser in a workout, i'll be happy to eat my words. until then, he is worthless as a starting qb
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Because RGIII is a run first QB right?
He runs a lot
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He does? He's a pocket passer with the ability to scramble and has Michael Vick type speed. Cam Newton runs a lot, Early Michael Vick runs a lot. RGIII doesn't play like either one of them really. Since when is being able to evade pressure a knock. We went through a similar thing with Brandon Banks. Too small, what if someone gets a direct hit on him he'll get killed, what if I rode a bike down the side of the Sears tower? What if a dog gave birth to a cat. At 6'2" 220+ lbs RGIII isn't 5'11" 190 like Vick. I don't see him running as much as you think although his ability to run can't be seen as a negative.
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He runs a lot
I guess that settles that. I thought his preposterously good passing stats and skills meant something, myself.
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I guess that settles that. I thought his preposterously good passing stats and skills meant something, myself.
LOL. Nope. He runs a lot.
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RG3 is a great athlete and I'd love to have him BUT not ahead of P.Manning.. And yes he can pass but he also played against very bad defenses and had an outstanding WR to throw to. Some seem to think he can make a CAM NEWTON impact from day 1 and I just don't see it sorry.

I went to the Baylor game last season and I was crazy impressed with him but again in the NFL you have to make all the throws and many of his are always just the deep ball
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Get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. win superbowl as early as next year and save Mike shanahans Job.
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get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. Win superbowl as early as next year and save mike shanahans job.
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If he can't drop back and be an elite passer in a pro style system I don't want him. Big Ben, Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. That's the kind of QB play that wins Super Bowls. Give me a guy like that. If RGIII needs a special offense that caters to his unique skillset then we shouldn't be trading up to get him. I don't want to rely on his legs and am not interested in a gimmicky offense. Let some other team run with that experiment. Until I see someone win it all like that, count me not interested.

For the record, I'm in the neither camp unless RGIII falls to 6 and the Shanny's assess him to be an ideal fit for their system.
How does anyone know right now what type of QB Griffin will become?

We don't know and can't know.
The only thing we can judge is Griffin's skillset.

BTW-
Scrambling athleitc QBs like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodger have also won SBs.
There have also been a bunch of pocket passers that have lost SBs or never been to SB or failed to even be good QBs.

Also just because Baylor runs a spread doesn't mean that Griffin can only succeed in a spread.
Further spread QBs have been making the transition into the NFL for awhile now since Ben Roethlisberger to Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco.
While at the same time NFL passing games are running more and more spread concepts.
The undefeated Patriots were largely a spread offense, current Bills offense is a spread, the Panthers/Broncos are spread and zone-read heavy offenses, the Packers run alot of spread etc.
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Trading up and drafting RG3 is a wiser move than signing Manning. With Manning, you would have to give not only full control of the offense, but tweak the offense and mix things in with the playbook he used in Indy and incorporate those plays in conjunction to Mike Shanahan's plays. Also, Kyle Shanahan while being the offensive coordinator would still have that role, but Manning would be calling his own plays in the huddle.

Then there's the factor that not one free agent signing or trade has done Washington any good when it comes to the QB position. Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, and Donovan McNabb only took the Redskins so far. That would tell anyone that you can't win playoff games and Super Bowls with QBs from other teams. In today's National Football League, you have to follow the formula of other teams and draft your own QB in the first round. There those QBs who were selected in the first round of the draft who guide their teams to the playoffs year in and year out. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, a few others were first round draft choices. The only exception is Jay Cutler, who in 2010 took the Bears to the NFC title game but he wasn't drafted by them.

The Redskins must duplicate the usual formula in this era of pro football. While signing yet another free agent quarterback would make me roll my eyes and frown, taking either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would put a huge smile on my face. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan must trade up even if it includes giving up next year's first rounder in addition to this year's to land the quarterback that the Redskins need.
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