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Old 02-11-2012, 09:17 PM   #241
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Why the hate for John Clayton? What did he ever do?
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:18 PM   #242
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Why the hate for John Clayton? What did he ever do?
Disagreed with him.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:21 PM   #243
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Why the hate for John Clayton? What did he ever do?
He wore glasses. That's unforgivable.
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Why the hate for John Clayton? What did he ever do?

No hating on JC. Kid was trying to use his word as if meant something in the grand scheme of things. How does Clayton know who would be a good fit or not? He study film? Coach techniques? Understand the type of QB this system needs?


This doesn't mean I don't like Clayton because I do. I like his reports. Him and Mortensen are my favorites.
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LOL. Nice try. I am not trying to argue, in fact I just made an attempt to end the discussion fairly.

You said you weren't guessing at the cost, you referred me to the value chart and recent trades, which in the post right above this one you explain why you're guessing it will cost more than that. Go ahead and run away from your own words, but all you had to do was to admit that you were guessing like everyone else and leave the superiority complex out of your posts.

As for the 30gut thing earlier, I made an attempt to explain to him how he was completely misusing a statistic, which he failed to understand. Given the nature of this discussion, I don't know whether you personally lack the intelligence to understand it, or are willfully misrepresenting it. Neither would surprise me.
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Clayton's career is to know these things. He studies it, speaks endlessly with experts in the field. It's what pays his bills.
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Clayton's career is to know these things. He studies it, speaks endlessly with experts in the field. It's what pays his bills.
Yeah, but it only got him into the HOF. Clearly his opinion pales in comparison to Random Internet Hotshot who thinks his guesses are facts.
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Clayton's career is to know these things. He studies it, speaks endlessly with experts in the field. It's what pays his bills.
Why? He's not a analyst nor a draft expert so why does he need to know these things to report?

If he does these things, I'll cut him some slack then. That said, even Morocco Brown and Scott Campbell had to get instruction/guidance from Mike in regards to the characteristics they looked at regarding their system. If a professional scout team couldn't do it, not sure I buy that Clayton can either. Not unless they've broken it down to him.
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You can go back to ES any day now. Thanks in advance.
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Why? He's not a analyst nor a draft expert so why does he need to know these things to report?

If he does these things, I'll cut him some slack then. That said, even Morocco Brown and Scott Campbell had to get instruction/guidance from Mike in regards to the characteristics they looked at regarding their system. If a professional scout team couldn't do it, not sure I buy that Clayton can either. Not unless they've broken it down to him.
Perhaps you should study what real reporters actually do with their days.

Of course he needs to try to know such things if he is to be a good reporter.
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Perhaps you should study what real reporters actually do with their days.

Of course he needs to try to know such things if he is to be a good reporter.
I gathered he didn't just sit around in some office scanning forums/twitter/fax/email/phone for news alerts. If he's that knowledgeable, why don't they use him as a analyst?


SO why is I've heard that NFL scouts say that guys like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay don't know shit?


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"Most people at my level feel he is a joke," a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail. "People in the league respect Kiper. He is not a true scout but he does work at it. A lot of his info he gets from connections in the league, and over the years he has made quite a few. When he was younger he used to burn some bridges. He doesn't do that any more."

So what about McShay?

"McShay does not have any good connections," the source opined. "Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant asshole. A know-it-all. And he really knows nothing. Whatever he says about a quarterback, take it to the bank, it will be the opposite. Remember, last August he stated that Jevan Snead was better thanColt McCoy and would get drafted in the top five. He has yet to publicly retract that statement.
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