Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-10-2012, 10:15 PM

If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-10-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Well there's one that agrees w me

To quote the movie Big Daddy: "That guy doesn't count, he can't even read."

NC_Skins · 02-10-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... what else can we talk about?

Defense. CBs/Safeties/ILB

OL - right tackle, OG, C

This team has more holes than just the QB.

NC_Skins · 02-10-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.

So you want to piss away draft picks, and sign big name FAs? If that doesn't wreak of Vinny, I don't know what is. After a decade of doing business that way, you'd think that you would have learned a lesson by now. I guess it's that battered spouse syndrome.

Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.

warriorzpath · 02-10-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Also this.

S/N: Does this mean I can't start a thread to discuss a scenario where we trade down, pick up 4 2nd round picks, and use them to draft Tannehill, Foles, Cousins, Weeden, and Osweiler, and thus create Lotus' Long Term Backup Barn 2.0?

... Hey you stole that approach from cerrato- the "if you throw enough sh*t at the wall something's bound to stick" method of drafting. It looks like Fred Davis proved he was the sh*t from that class of receivers.

skinsfaninok · 02-10-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Defense. CBs/Safeties/ILB

OL - right tackle, OG, C

This team has more holes than just the QB.

Manning makes all that better

Lotus · 02-10-2012, 10:24 PM

I think RGIII will fall to #6 and thus requires no trade-up.

We could have both PM and RGIII perhaps, if we desired.

44Deezel · 02-10-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not as simple as asking to choose between RGIII and Peyton. The real question is which package would you rather have?

Which would you choose?

Package A:

1) RGIII

Package B:
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)

That's about what you'll have to pay to get RGIII. SO tell me, which would you chose? Put your mancrush down and think sensible. Knowing the holes we have, would you honestly give up all that for RGIII? If you whiff on that pick, you are screwed for many many years to come. You whiff on Cousins, and you pick up a QB later on and still have a solid team.

Package B all day....ERRR DAY.

I agree, which is why I say neither. One will cost too much money, the other too many picks. Either way the overall team is weakened.

Get a different free agent and draft a different rookie this year and add 5-10 starters (not necessarily day 1 starters) between free agency and the draft.

Continue to BUILD for the long run.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-10-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So you want to piss away draft picks, and sign big name FAs? If that doesn't wreak of Vinny, I don't know what is. After a decade of doing business that way, you'd think that you would have learned a lesson by now. I guess it's that battered spouse syndrome.

Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.

I don't remember saying signing big name FAs. I make the trade for the guy who I think will be the face of my franchise for the next 15 seasons. Fill my holes with smart FA signings like we have been doing. You can stockpile all the picks you want but without a QB you'll be drafting in the top 10 every year. Eventually you got to pull the trigger.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-10-2012, 10:28 PM

And I still think RGIII will be there at #6 but if we want to trade up for him, I'm not against it.

Lotus · 02-10-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I don't remember saying signing big name FAs. I make the trade for the guy who I think will be the face of my franchise for the next 15 seasons. Fill my holes with smart FA signings like we have been doing. You can stockpile all the picks you want but without a QB you'll be drafting in the top 10 every year. Eventually you got to pull the trigger.

Can I get an amen?

redskins5044 · 02-10-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

And I still think RGIII will be there at #6 but if we want to trade up for him, I'm not against it.

No way he is there at 6 pick even if the browns don't want him someone else below will trade up to get him.

warriorzpath · 02-10-2012, 10:38 PM

It could be the proverbial smokescreen again, but Kyle Shanahans interview with Sheehan on the radio makes me think that as of right now - the redskins don't think that RGIII is not worth giving up several high draft picks for. Still early though ... and there's a lot of mind games to be played so I don't know.

Schneed10 · 02-10-2012, 10:43 PM

To me it's a no brainer. You take Peyton Manning and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

You get one of the very best quarterbacks in NFL history. You don't have to give up anything but money, so you still get to make all your picks and continue building the team through the draft in a sane fashion. And signing Manning buys you three years to find the QB of the long term future.

With Griffin, yes you get a very talented player who can make plays on the ground and in the air. But you sacrifice a ton of (high) picks to do so. This team still needs talent, we're not one player away, even if that single player is a potential franchise QB.

And in the end, Griffin is an unknown commodity. Sure he seems like he'll translate to the NFL, but so did Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch and Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf and on and on and on. To me, Manning's recovery is less of a question mark than whether Griffin will pan out. The stats don't lie, half of the QBs drafted in Round 1 become flops. So don't be so quick to dismiss that possibility with Griffin, I guarantee you the Bengals thought they had a good thing with Akili Smith, as did the Raiders with Russell.

If you want a precedent for this, look at Montana in Kansas City, they went to an AFC title game. Sometimes football is not that complicated. If the best player in NFL history (in my humble opinion) becomes available, you get him.

And think of it this way: if we miss on Griffin we're set back SIGNIFICANTLY in our efforts to return the team to the playoffs. If we miss on Manning and his neck doesn't pan out, at least we still will have filled our squad out with high picks. In the end, the downside with Manning is much less.

44Deezel · 02-10-2012, 10:45 PM

Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"?

He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year.

View Poll Results: If you had to choose between the two...
Sign Peyton Manning	43	32.82%
Trade up for RGIII	88	67.18%
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02-10-2012, 10:15 PM	#31
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,010	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with: 2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

02-10-2012, 10:24 PM	#37
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,906	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I think RGIII will fall to #6 and thus requires no trade-up. We could have both PM and RGIII perhaps, if we desired. __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

02-10-2012, 10:28 PM	#40
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,010	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice And I still think RGIII will be there at #6 but if we want to trade up for him, I'm not against it. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

02-10-2012, 10:38 PM	#43
warriorzpath The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,394	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice It could be the proverbial smokescreen again, but Kyle Shanahans interview with Sheehan on the radio makes me think that as of right now - the redskins don't think that RGIII is not worth giving up several high draft picks for. Still early though ... and there's a lot of mind games to be played so I don't know.

02-10-2012, 10:43 PM	#44
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,896	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice To me it's a no brainer. You take Peyton Manning and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. You get one of the very best quarterbacks in NFL history. You don't have to give up anything but money, so you still get to make all your picks and continue building the team through the draft in a sane fashion. And signing Manning buys you three years to find the QB of the long term future. With Griffin, yes you get a very talented player who can make plays on the ground and in the air. But you sacrifice a ton of (high) picks to do so. This team still needs talent, we're not one player away, even if that single player is a potential franchise QB. And in the end, Griffin is an unknown commodity. Sure he seems like he'll translate to the NFL, but so did Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch and Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf and on and on and on. To me, Manning's recovery is less of a question mark than whether Griffin will pan out. The stats don't lie, half of the QBs drafted in Round 1 become flops. So don't be so quick to dismiss that possibility with Griffin, I guarantee you the Bengals thought they had a good thing with Akili Smith, as did the Raiders with Russell. If you want a precedent for this, look at Montana in Kansas City, they went to an AFC title game. Sometimes football is not that complicated. If the best player in NFL history (in my humble opinion) becomes available, you get him. And think of it this way: if we miss on Griffin we're set back SIGNIFICANTLY in our efforts to return the team to the playoffs. If we miss on Manning and his neck doesn't pan out, at least we still will have filled our squad out with high picks. In the end, the downside with Manning is much less. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

02-10-2012, 10:45 PM	#45
44Deezel The Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Davidsonville Posts: 1,434	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"? He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year. __________________ I am a system poster.

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