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Old 02-14-2012, 11:50 AM   #511
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Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.
I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.
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I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.
I agree with that.
I bet our defense will be even better next year.
If we did have a happy/healthy Manning and a real #1 wide receiver I dont see why we couldnt hope to win 10+ games next year.
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Also John Clayton said on SC a few Mins ago that Houston will not pursue Manning
Wow, what a bold declaration to think he'd stake his reputation on that.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:17 PM   #514
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For some reason, people think that we are going to acquire Manning by giving up all of our draft picks and not adding anything during the offseason. Well I am sure people don't necessarily think that, but are definitely acting like it. The funny thing is that acquiring Manning would allow us to use our draft picks to get some solid players, including a project QB. Also, with Manning on board, wouldn't the likes of VJax, Bowe, or Colston want to come to the Skins and play with Manning?

If Manning comes here, he won't be coming alone. We could very well add a WR from the deep class of FAs this offseason. We could get a stud interior lineman (I keep hearing DeCastro is the best) in the middle/late first round, and add a whole bunch of quality players in the later rounds. And we could also add our QB of the future. We could hopefully replicate what Kurt Warner did for Arizona when he went to play for them (and Warner was thought of being done after having a poor showing with the Giants).

I am fine with trading up for RG3, but I know the team would need to spend a lot in free agency, since I am sure we would need to use a lot picks in a trade. I think in this situation, we would need to be ready for another year of growing pains.

Right now as it stands, we are not a contender or a playoff team. However, if we land Manning, one of the top FA WRs, and a quality first/second/third rounder rookies (including our QB of the future), we could very well be a playoff team next season and still have a lot of youth that will carry this team for years to come.
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Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.
This unspectacular offense could make Manning "disappear" too. Unless we upgrade the O-Line he wouldn't last two weeks in the NFC-E.
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This unspectacular offense could make Manning "disappear" too. Unless we upgrade the O-Line he wouldn't last two weeks in the NFC-E.
Manning had a really good offensive line early on, but in the last couple of seasons they were not that great. To me it seems that over the past couple of seasons, a lot of pundits kept saying that the Colts needed to upgrade their line. For some reason, the Colts never did, and when they did they had a couple of misfires in their picks.

A healthy Manning can pick apart any defense with just about any offensive line. As I mentioned before, if we sign him we have the draft ammunition to pick up good offensive linemen in the draft and there are some nice options in free agency. Finally, I would dare say that we probably have a better running game than anything the Colts have had in the past two/three seasons. And we've had a good running game during times when teams would stack the box and dare us to throw. You think with Manning under center they would do that?
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Have u guys thought that maybe just maybe guys like Manning and Brady can make the lines look good too? It works both ways
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It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.
You underestimate a healthy PM. If he is not good enough to make the redskins a contender then explain why the Colts are 2-14 without him and a Super bowl contender with him?

The Redskins are not just any QB upgrade away from being a Super bowl contender but they may be the right QB away.
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A healthy Manning can pick apart any defense with just about any offensive line. As I mentioned before, if we sign him we have the draft ammunition to pick up good offensive linemen in the draft and there are some nice options in free agency. Finally, I would dare say that we probably have a better running game than anything the Colts have had in the past two/three seasons. And we've had a good running game during times when teams would stack the box and dare us to throw. You think with Manning under center they would do that?
I agree with you 100%. For those here who think our team is way too bad to attract manning, or that this team would not benefit much just from adding a quarterback, i say youre out of your minds.

the colts with Manning historically win about 12 games year - no matter who the coach is. manning makes average receivers, average running backs, and below average offensive linemen look GREAT. Receivers, running backs, and tight ends who leave indy never amount to anything. Manning turns his supporting cast into playmakers, not the other way around. Manning, no matter how humble he may seem, knows this. He won't discount a team like washington because we dont have enough "playmakers."

Without Manning, the Colts are 2-14. Without Manning, we are 5-11. Without Manning, we were outscored by our oppenents an average of 3.125 points per game. Think about that. Even with "no receivers," "no offenive line," "a weak running game," and a quarterack who averages atleast 2 interceptions per game at critical junctures, we were within about one field goal from being able to win most of our games. Does anyone here think that, on average, Manning would not atleast give us one more touchdown and one less turnover than grossman per game? even if he's not 100% the manning of old?

Say what you want about our talent and coaching staff, but we are most certainly a better coached and more talented team than the Colts. We have a defense that would not constantly put him in holes, as his defense historically did in indy. In my opinion,if Manning came here, we would be a 12 win team immediately. We could WIN while we groom a young QB for the future. There is ZERO downside to signing a healthy peyton manning. We should do whatever we need to to acquire him.
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Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.
I dig your optimism mooby. Our defense, at its best, is nothing like the best defenses in the league, including the Giants'. That defense is pretty inconsistent over the course of an entire season but when they start to click they're easily a top 3 defense. At our very, very best we might break the top 10...but it's a stretch.
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You underestimate a healthy PM. If he is not good enough to make the redskins a contender then explain why the Colts are 2-14 without him and a Super bowl contender with him?

The Redskins are not just any QB upgrade away from being a Super bowl contender but they may be the right QB away.

If the Colts are such a SB contender with him why are they letting him hit the open market. Hmmmmm???? Hmmmmmm????
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A lot of you guys are in love with the 30 year old Manning. The guy is not that anymore, he will come here stink and again egg will be on our face.

You know how you look at Oakland, Arizona, Cleveland, etc... and say god those are awful franchise, hello McFly that is how the rest of the football world views the Redskins.
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It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.
I don't think anyone is saying we are a PM away from winning a SB. I can speak for myself and say we are 1 good QB away from getting to the playoffs or at the least having a 500+ record. Anyone who plays better and makes better decisions then Grossman and Beck should be able to do that. PM included.... if he can play.

I think it's amazing how we as a fan base are so far apart and possibly to the extreme when it comes to where this team really is.

Some say we are no where near getting to the play offs. Pessimist.

Others say we are not that far off. Optimist.

I can tell you somewhere in between the truth lies. I'm not saying we are close because we beat the Giants twice (although it sounds nice), I'm not saying it because we have MS. I'm saying it based off of the teams play on the field. No different then others here love to say "we were a 5-11 team and we are a few yrs off". All I'm saying is I think we are closer then you think.
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