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Old 02-15-2012, 07:50 AM   #631
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To me, if the plan was for Peyton to stay in Indy, we would have heard different things from both Peyton and Irsay in the last few weeks than we have heard. SS is correct - what we've heard is political jousting so that both sides can save face in a divorce.
I think the reason you havent heard anything out of Indy is because the Super Bowl was there and the NFL didnt want anything to overshadow that event. Now twith the combine coming up again I dont think the NFL will want anything to overshadow that. This is the week I really expected to hear something because there are no big NFL events in Indy.
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Flynn's 6 tds against Detroit was a fluke. Go back and watch the tape.
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I think the reason you havent heard anything out of Indy is because the Super Bowl was there and the NFL didnt want anything to overshadow that event. Now twith the combine coming up again I dont think the NFL will want anything to overshadow that. This is the week I really expected to hear something because there are no big NFL events in Indy.
My point was that we HAVE heard things from the Colts but not the things that we would hear if Peyton were likely to stay there.
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I'm not totally sure about this, so I'm trying to find out (Canuck you out there?), but I'm not even sure the Colts can restructure his contract without releasing him.

Since Manning signed his new contract within this league year I'm pretty sure he has to wait until the league year is over before a new contract can be signed. But that might be a fine distinction between renegotiate and restructure

But if that is the case, then what are they going to do? Pay him the $28M bonus and then restructure? That wouldn't make sense. They'd be more likely to release him and then enter the fray with everyone else in trying to sign him
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:04 AM   #635
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Let's have a direct discussion. If you're the Redskins who do you pick? Why? Do you pay the King's Ransom for the 2nd pick to pick the Hesiman trophy winner? Should you lure the former MVP and use the draft/ free agency to build a team around him.

You can't pick both as Rich Tandler has pointed out

Great offseason discussion!
Can't imagine the look on your faces when the redskins go ahead with a third choice.
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So you're not hearing anything new from the Indi or Manning camps?

I had a hard time believing that Manning and Indi would actually split. It seemed Indi. was committed to Manning to the end of his career. Guess not. I am with SS and Lotus - if PM was staying a Colt, we would be hearing almost nothing or a much more mutual "Of course PM is staying". I haven't heard much more from PM other than "I'd like to stay a Colt" with the implication he won't be.

The pundits seem to have universally assumed Manning is out the door. Is there anyone saying he will be staying in Indi?
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Can't imagine the look on your faces when the redskins go ahead with a third choice.
McCoy and Shipley right?
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McCoy and Shipley right?
I believe it will end up being McCoy and Tannenhill but voted RGIII because of the options it is the better. I think RGIII is a pipe dream but it would be great. I really don't want Manning.
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I'm not totally sure about this, so I'm trying to find out (Canuck you out there?), but I'm not even sure the Colts can restructure his contract without releasing him.

Since Manning signed his new contract within this league year I'm pretty sure he has to wait until the league year is over before a new contract can be signed. But that might be a fine distinction between renegotiate and restructure

But if that is the case, then what are they going to do? Pay him the $28M bonus and then restructure? That wouldn't make sense. They'd be more likely to release him and then enter the fray with everyone else in trying to sign him
I think you are correct, the Colts cannot restructure the contract, they either have to pay him the 28 mil and restructure or release him.
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SS, based on what you know (and maybe you have already answered this), what do you think the percentages are for the following (i.e. 40% chance we get Manning; 40% RGIII; 10% Orton; 2% No Change):

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB;
PM and pass on developmental;
RGIII by trading;
RGIII 'cause he falls to us;
Orton and developmental
Other journeyman QB and developmental
Other

Not sure if you can even divide it that way, really just looking - based on your sources, your evaluation of them and of the situation - what you believe are the most likely scenarios are.
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SS, based on what you know (and maybe you have already answered this), what do you think the percentages are for the following (i.e. 40% chance we get Manning; 40% RGIII; 10% Orton; 2% No Change):

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB;
PM and pass on developmental;
RGIII by trading;
RGIII 'cause he falls to us;
Orton and developmental
Other journeyman QB and developmental
Other

Not sure if you can even divide it that way, really just looking - based on your sources, your evaluation of them and of the situation - what you believe are the most likely scenarios are.
While this is a possibility, I would say that this is really hard to predict. It would take something unexpected to happen such as one of the teams above making an unexpected move or RG3 doing/saying something during the combine that affects his draft status.
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SS, based on what you know (and maybe you have already answered this), what do you think the percentages are for the following (i.e. 40% chance we get Manning; 40% RGIII; 10% Orton; 2% No Change):

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB;
PM and pass on developmental;
RGIII by trading;
RGIII 'cause he falls to us;
Orton and developmental
Other journeyman QB and developmental
Other

Not sure if you can even divide it that way, really just looking - based on your sources, your evaluation of them and of the situation - what you believe are the most likely scenarios are.
Oh man, that's really tough to answer. Let's see. I'll base it on pies. With 5 being very likely

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB: 3 Pies

PM and pass on developmental: 1 Pie

RGIII by trading: 2 Pies to #2/ 3 Pies to #3/ 4 Pies to #4

RGIII 'cause he falls to us: 1 Pie

Orton and developmental: 1 Pie

Other journeyman QB and developmental: 4.5 Pies (depends on what you see as journeyman, but this is what I most likely see happening)

Other: As in stay the course? 1 Pie
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Oh man, that's really tough to answer. Let's see. I'll base it on pies. With 5 being very likely

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB: 3 Pies

PM and pass on developmental: 1 Pie

RGIII by trading: 2 Pies to #2/ 3 Pies to #3/ 4 Pies to #4

RGIII 'cause he falls to us: 1 Pie

Orton and developmental: 1 Pie

Other journeyman QB and developmental: 4.5 Pies (depends on what you see as journeyman, but this is what I most likely see happening)

Other: As in stay the course? 1 Pie
Hmmm... So you are saying that they are now showing a greater interest in RG3. Not sure if that is good or bad...
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Greater interest? Um, well I'd say that the further down the board he goes the easier it would be to acquire him. But I mean we won't really know the answer to that until draft day, and by then we'll have possibly added one or two QBs in FA anyway
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Oh man, that's really tough to answer. Let's see. I'll base it on pies. With 5 being very likely

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB: 3 Pies

PM and pass on developmental: 1 Pie

RGIII by trading: 2 Pies to #2/ 3 Pies to #3/ 4 Pies to #4

RGIII 'cause he falls to us: 1 Pie

Orton and developmental: 1 Pie

Other journeyman QB and developmental: 4.5 Pies (depends on what you see as journeyman, but this is what I most likely see happening)

Other: As in stay the course? 1 Pie
If MS does this and we have a losing season, then I would be fine with him being fired at the end of the season.

Also, what pies are you talking about here? Apple? Pecan? LOL.
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