Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

skinsfan69 · 02-15-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

To be fair to Irsay, he is in a tough spot which I don't envy. If Manning walks then Irsay is the bad man who chased the greatest Colt in history out of town. If he keeps Manning then he's out $28 million for a QB who may not be durable and who may stand in the way of a reloaded future. Irsay is kind of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

He's not in a tough spot. Manning can't even throw the ball. When the time is right he just needs to hold a press conference and say that the risk is too great and they're going to rebuild with Luck. Instead he keeps running his mouth. It's like the guy's obsessed with his stupid ass Twitter. Are there any other owners out there Twittering?

Hog1 · 02-15-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

It's a tough spot. If I'm not mistaken, Manning's camp has leaked that he'd be willing to sign a contract that is loaded with mostly performance/playing time based incentives.

Irsay basically gave him almost $30M for nothing this past season. Can you fault the guy for not wanting to do it again? Peyton Manning would count for about $35M towards the Colts salary cap next year ($7M in base pay plus the bonus I think). That's a gigantic number for a guy who's health is a total question mark. Colt or not, I don't think there' s a snowball's chance in hell Manning ever sees that $28M.

I...personally am not aware of anybody faulting him for baulking at the number. I think that is completely responsible action.
The Knock on JI has been his childish ass Twitterspace behavior and.....airing matters to the world that belong in the locker room.

30gut · 02-15-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

This article simply points out exactly what another article actually mentioned and that was RGIII has great long ball accuracy. Timing is great on his deep ball also. Basically put he can throw the deep ball and he can throw the short ball but he has trouble with the intermediate routes which might be the only thing open with the 3-4 zone defenses.

The bolded above is not the take away from the article I got at all.

Did we read the same article?
This one:
Tale of the Tape: Robert Griffin III vs Oklahoma - Hogs Haven

Lotus · 02-15-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I...personally am not aware of anybody faulting him for baulking at the number. I think that is completely responsible action.
The Knock on JI has been his childish ass Twitterspace behavior and.....airing matters to the world that belong in the locker room.

Please note that I am not supporting Irsay, just trying to understand.

His Twitter foolishness and airing locker room issues arise because he's between a rock and a hard place. He is handling it poorly for sure...but none of us want to be in his difficult shoes on the Manning issue.

SmootSmack · 02-15-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Why would they? That information can't help his cause.

Trying to find out more about this

30gut · 02-15-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Why would they? That information can't help his cause.

Sounds strange to me too.
Maybe they thought that letting people know that Peyton was near 80% during 'practice' last Dec it would help the perceptions about his health?

30gut · 02-15-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

To me a journeyman QB and a developmental QB are basically going in the same direction as we did last year in terms of that position. MS' willingness to go into the season with a question mark at QB to me is a bigger risk than PM or RG3. And regardless of how it happens, if he has a losing season with a journeyman QB, I just don't see how he keeps his job.

I see last year different.
Imo going with Grossman was going with a known quantity and hoping or expecting to coach him up and make him play better then his career to date would indicate.

Imo when Rex was giving the nod over Beck in a close preseason battle it represented going with a veteran known quantity instead of Beck a journeymen/developmental QB.

In essence it was a win now move as opposed to a developmental move.
It was a continuation of avoiding developing a future QB that began with not drafting a the top QB, which I completely understand, but it also manifested itself in avoiding even drafting a late round fliers like TJ Yates or Tyrod Taylor.

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If we trade up to get RG3, I actually expect the possibility of having a losing season. However, I feel that making this move would be heading in the right direction, especially if the team shows improvements in the offense. I think this would warrant another year of MS to see how he is able to improve a rookie QB.

I agree.
A rookie QB is imo the only situation where Mike can have below average QB play and not get called on the carpet.

I'm personally not against the usual suspect journeyman or second chance QB via FA/trade.
But, if they're not successful right away it won't be good for Mike Shanahan because of his failures at the QB position thus far.

los panda · 02-15-2012, 08:16 PM

i'd rather take another look at patrick ramsey than go another year with grossman as our best bet

GTripp0012 · 02-15-2012, 08:18 PM

The most fascinating thing is that in 2011, the only unit on the team that exceeded it's relative expectations was the passing offense. The rushing offense, rush defense, pass defense, kick, and kick return games all performed below expectation.

So I mean, what do you address? The biggest need (passing offense) is the one that performed relatively well last year. Do you just throw all resources at that one problem and hope everything else just had a down year last year? Or do you spread the resources around and hope the pass offense takes another step forward without much of a talent influx?

los panda · 02-15-2012, 08:22 PM

not all resources, but you get yourself the best qb possible...

SBXVII · 02-15-2012, 08:24 PM

LOL. I'm sorry.

Rex Grossman wants to stay with the Redskins | ProFootballTalk

los panda · 02-15-2012, 08:28 PM

you can tell his heart is in it

GTripp0012 · 02-15-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by los panda

not all resources, but you get yourself the best qb possible...

Which would cost most of the available resources.

Not all. You could get Griffin and still have a huge FA shopping spree targeting young players. Or you could get Manning/Orton/Henne and have complete flexibility in this draft.

Problem is, neither option fixes the passing game on day one. There were gains made last year that you lose as soon as you change the quarterback. Not that it is not still an obvious place that can be upgraded, just that the more you change, the less last year's finish meant.

Hog1 · 02-15-2012, 08:30 PM

I don't have a...real problem with that. Obviously Rex is not our starting QB wish. As the team (and the components around him) improves, so will he. He knows the offense. If he can raise his level of play a bit, he CAN be a very effective BU

GTripp0012 · 02-15-2012, 08:37 PM

I think Rex Grossman: Redskins starting QB until Nick Foles/Brandon Weeden is up to speed makes a lot more sense than Rex Grossman: Backup quarterback of the Redskins.

If Grossman is here next year, it should be as the week one starter, but if/when he is replaced in the starting lineup, I think the backup should be someone else. So if they add Foles and Moore/Wilson in the draft, and Foles wins the starting job in Week 5, I wouldn't want Grossman active on gameday. There's no point. The only point of bringing Grossman back is not because he knows the offense, but because no one who could win games in 2012 more easily would come here.

So like, if Manning, Orton, Campbell, Flynn, and Henne all sign elsewhere...and the Redskins cannot get any of them, and the Redskins opt to add two guys in the draft, then Grossman probably gives the Redskins the best chance of winning. Obviously, that's kind of a Plan D at this point.

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02-15-2012, 08:16 PM	#728
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,850	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice i'd rather take another look at patrick ramsey than go another year with grossman as our best bet __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

02-15-2012, 08:18 PM	#729
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice The most fascinating thing is that in 2011, the only unit on the team that exceeded it's relative expectations was the passing offense. The rushing offense, rush defense, pass defense, kick, and kick return games all performed below expectation. So I mean, what do you address? The biggest need (passing offense) is the one that performed relatively well last year. Do you just throw all resources at that one problem and hope everything else just had a down year last year? Or do you spread the resources around and hope the pass offense takes another step forward without much of a talent influx? __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

02-15-2012, 08:22 PM	#730
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,850	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice not all resources, but you get yourself the best qb possible... __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

02-15-2012, 08:24 PM	#731
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice LOL. I'm sorry. Rex Grossman wants to stay with the Redskins \| ProFootballTalk

02-15-2012, 08:28 PM	#732
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02-15-2012, 08:30 PM	#734
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,375	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I don't have a...real problem with that. Obviously Rex is not our starting QB wish. As the team (and the components around him) improves, so will he. He knows the offense. If he can raise his level of play a bit, he CAN be a very effective BU __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

02-15-2012, 08:37 PM	#735
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I think Rex Grossman: Redskins starting QB until Nick Foles/Brandon Weeden is up to speed makes a lot more sense than Rex Grossman: Backup quarterback of the Redskins. If Grossman is here next year, it should be as the week one starter, but if/when he is replaced in the starting lineup, I think the backup should be someone else. So if they add Foles and Moore/Wilson in the draft, and Foles wins the starting job in Week 5, I wouldn't want Grossman active on gameday. There's no point. The only point of bringing Grossman back is not because he knows the offense, but because no one who could win games in 2012 more easily would come here. So like, if Manning, Orton, Campbell, Flynn, and Henne all sign elsewhere...and the Redskins cannot get any of them, and the Redskins opt to add two guys in the draft, then Grossman probably gives the Redskins the best chance of winning. Obviously, that's kind of a Plan D at this point. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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