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Old 02-15-2012, 08:56 PM   #721
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Ok it's settled. We have to pick up PM at any cost.

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Old 02-15-2012, 09:54 PM   #722
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This should make the RGIII fans happy.

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it's rex manning day
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:01 PM   #724
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The most fascinating thing is that in 2011, the only unit on the team that exceeded it's relative expectations was the passing offense. The rushing offense, rush defense, pass defense, kick, and kick return games all performed below expectation.

So I mean, what do you address? The biggest need (passing offense) is the one that performed relatively well last year. Do you just throw all resources at that one problem and hope everything else just had a down year last year? Or do you spread the resources around and hope the pass offense takes another step forward without much of a talent influx?
It depends on which metric, which aspect of the passing game and what your expectations were.

For me the passing game, but particularly the QB position, performed below expectations but were below league average.
Rex was one of the worst QBs in the league and averaged an offense killing/ season killing amount of turnovers.

To my eye the only units that exceeded expectations were the running game and the OL (if only because my expectations were very low).
The running game proved to be our best offensive weapon despite the playcaller's penchant for relying on the pass more then the run.
The OL on the whole was solid in pass protection to the point where it was viable to run a 5-step drop intensive offense.
And after the injuries hit it seemed the OL improved when young depth players were inserted into the line-up.

I think there are three areas that need to be addressed with best resources available: QB, OL: (RT that could possibly play LT, OG), Safety.

* I'm not against it for a potential 'franchise' QB.
But in general I'm against trading up as rule when it cost high draft mulitple high draft picks.
However when the compensation is reasonable i.e. like Denver moving up for Cutler or Ravens moving up for Flacco etc. I'm all for it.
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If we start 2012 with Rex Grossman as our starting QB, I think I will blow up FedEx field.
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If we start 2012 with Rex Grossman as our starting QB, I think I will blow up FedEx field.
You are ruining the mystery of it.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:27 PM   #727
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It depends on which metric, which aspect of the passing game and what your expectations were.

For me the passing game, but particularly the QB position, performed below expectations but were below league average.
Rex was one of the worst QBs in the league and averaged an offense killing/ season killing amount of turnovers.

To my eye the only units that exceeded expectations were the running game and the OL (if only because my expectations were very low).
The running game proved to be our best offensive weapon despite the playcaller's penchant for relying on the pass more then the run.
The OL on the whole was solid in pass protection to the point where it was viable to run a 5-step drop intensive offense.
And after the injuries hit it seemed the OL improved when young depth players were inserted into the line-up.

I think there are three areas that need to be addressed with best resources available: QB, OL: (RT that could possibly play LT, OG), Safety.

* I'm not against it for a potential 'franchise' QB.
But in general I'm against trading up as rule when it cost high draft mulitple high draft picks.
However when the compensation is reasonable i.e. like Denver moving up for Cutler or Ravens moving up for Flacco etc. I'm all for it.
To me, the Redskins kind of have to take the most premium player with a focus on offense. If they are willing to trade up, that may very well mean RG3. With Griffin and Blackmon both likely to be gone in the first four picks, its a good year to trade up. It's probably not necessary to give up your 2013 first rounder to do so, but if you're Mike Shanahan, it is easy to see why trading your 2013 first rounder is preferable to trading your 2012 second rounder. In terms of net present value there's not a huge difference between the two picks, so I mean, I think I'll live if they give up next year's first rounder to move up. It shouldn't cost too much more than that.

If they offer two first rounders to the Rams/Vikings, neither is going to say "no", they would either have a better offer from the Browns or Dolphins, or they would do that trade in a heartbeat.

And personally, I don't really care if the target is Griffin or Blackmon, as both will hopefully improve your passing offense. I have Griffin rated a lot higher than Blackmon, but if you have Blackmon rated much higher than RG3, then he's probably the one worth trading up for.

It does look like the cost of improving the passing offense in the first round would be a trade up and costing your 2013 first rounder. But you could get Trent Richardson, (perhaps) Mo Claiborne, or Reily Reiff to improve your ground game or pass defense without moving anywhere.
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Gtripp, do you think it is worth for the Redskins to trade up for Blackmon, when there is such a deep WR FA group this offseason with guys like Bowe and possibly Stevie Johnson. I am not comparing Blackmon to those guys, but I feel with cap room and the QB need, I would rather trade up for RG3.
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Peyton's neck surgeries
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SI.com's Don Banks reports that Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has actually undergone four surgeries on his neck over the past two years, not three, as had been widely reported. The extra procedure took place at some point between his May 23 surgery to repair a bulging disk and the cervical neck fusion that took place Sept. 9.

"In addition," Banks added, "league sources say Manning's neck has potentially developed bone spurs just above the point where his latest fusion surgery took place in early September, and the Colts organization is under the belief that it is nearly inevitable Manning will at some point require further surgery, and possibly another fusion procedure, even if he does successfully return to the field in 2012.

"It's unclear how any potential long-term neck issues will impact Manning's decision to attempt a resumption of his NFL playing career later this year."

Banks goes on to give more details about Manning's attempts to play at the end of the 2011 regular season, which gives some insight into the relationship between Manning and the Colts. Concerns about an aging quarterback with a problematic neck are legitimate for Manning, the Colts and his suitors if he becomes a free agent. An incentive-laden contract seems like the best hope for Manning in 2012.
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Or not at all.
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Or not at all.
The man has more stitches in him than my grandmas quilt.
^^weak sauce. You have to come up with something better than that. The man has more stitches than a major surgery patient in an underground free clinic.

This is precisely why I've said I don't want him coming here. More little nuggets of info pop up all the time.
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They should trade back if they're targeting a WR. Floyd or Jeffery could be had later. The more picks the better.
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SI.com's Don Banks reports that Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has actually undergone four surgeries on his neck over the past two years, not three, as had been widely reported. The extra procedure took place at some point between his May 23 surgery to repair a bulging disk and the cervical neck fusion that took place Sept. 9.

"In addition," Banks added, "league sources say Manning's neck has potentially developed bone spurs just above the point where his latest fusion surgery took place in early September, and the Colts organization is under the belief that it is nearly inevitable Manning will at some point require further surgery, and possibly another fusion procedure, even if he does successfully return to the field in 2012.

"It's unclear how any potential long-term neck issues will impact Manning's decision to attempt a resumption of his NFL playing career later this year."

Banks goes on to give more details about Manning's attempts to play at the end of the 2011 regular season, which gives some insight into the relationship between Manning and the Colts. Concerns about an aging quarterback with a problematic neck are legitimate for Manning, the Colts and his suitors if he becomes a free agent. An incentive-laden contract seems like the best hope for Manning in 2012.
At this point Peyton should be thinking of his family and the rest of his life. He really should just hang it up.
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