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Old 02-15-2012, 09:22 PM   #736
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not all resources, but you get yourself the best qb possible...
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:24 PM   #737
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LOL. I'm sorry.

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you can tell his heart is in it
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not all resources, but you get yourself the best qb possible...
Which would cost most of the available resources.

Not all. You could get Griffin and still have a huge FA shopping spree targeting young players. Or you could get Manning/Orton/Henne and have complete flexibility in this draft.

Problem is, neither option fixes the passing game on day one. There were gains made last year that you lose as soon as you change the quarterback. Not that it is not still an obvious place that can be upgraded, just that the more you change, the less last year's finish meant.
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I don't have a...real problem with that. Obviously Rex is not our starting QB wish. As the team (and the components around him) improves, so will he. He knows the offense. If he can raise his level of play a bit, he CAN be a very effective BU
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I think Rex Grossman: Redskins starting QB until Nick Foles/Brandon Weeden is up to speed makes a lot more sense than Rex Grossman: Backup quarterback of the Redskins.

If Grossman is here next year, it should be as the week one starter, but if/when he is replaced in the starting lineup, I think the backup should be someone else. So if they add Foles and Moore/Wilson in the draft, and Foles wins the starting job in Week 5, I wouldn't want Grossman active on gameday. There's no point. The only point of bringing Grossman back is not because he knows the offense, but because no one who could win games in 2012 more easily would come here.

So like, if Manning, Orton, Campbell, Flynn, and Henne all sign elsewhere...and the Redskins cannot get any of them, and the Redskins opt to add two guys in the draft, then Grossman probably gives the Redskins the best chance of winning. Obviously, that's kind of a Plan D at this point.
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I think Rex Grossman: Redskins starting QB until Nick Foles/Brandon Weeden is up to speed makes a lot more sense than Rex Grossman: Backup quarterback of the Redskins.

If Grossman is here next year, it should be as the week one starter, but if/when he is replaced in the starting lineup, I think the backup should be someone else. So if they add Foles and Moore/Wilson in the draft, and Foles wins the starting job in Week 5, I wouldn't want Grossman active on gameday. There's no point. The only point of bringing Grossman back is not because he knows the offense, but because no one who could win games in 2012 more easily would come here.

So like, if Manning, Orton, Campbell, Flynn, and Henne all sign elsewhere...and the Redskins cannot get any of them, and the Redskins opt to add two guys in the draft, then Grossman probably gives the Redskins the best chance of winning. Obviously, that's kind of a Plan D at this point.
If they make it to this plan their will be a lot of pissed fans, me included. We know what Rex can do and we don't need to see him anymore. No more BS about him knowing the system, get rid of beck too. There needs 2 new QBs on the roster next year, whoever they may be.
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Ok it's settled. We have to pick up PM at any cost.

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This should make the RGIII fans happy.

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it's rex manning day
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The most fascinating thing is that in 2011, the only unit on the team that exceeded it's relative expectations was the passing offense. The rushing offense, rush defense, pass defense, kick, and kick return games all performed below expectation.

So I mean, what do you address? The biggest need (passing offense) is the one that performed relatively well last year. Do you just throw all resources at that one problem and hope everything else just had a down year last year? Or do you spread the resources around and hope the pass offense takes another step forward without much of a talent influx?
It depends on which metric, which aspect of the passing game and what your expectations were.

For me the passing game, but particularly the QB position, performed below expectations but were below league average.
Rex was one of the worst QBs in the league and averaged an offense killing/ season killing amount of turnovers.

To my eye the only units that exceeded expectations were the running game and the OL (if only because my expectations were very low).
The running game proved to be our best offensive weapon despite the playcaller's penchant for relying on the pass more then the run.
The OL on the whole was solid in pass protection to the point where it was viable to run a 5-step drop intensive offense.
And after the injuries hit it seemed the OL improved when young depth players were inserted into the line-up.

I think there are three areas that need to be addressed with best resources available: QB, OL: (RT that could possibly play LT, OG), Safety.

* I'm not against it for a potential 'franchise' QB.
But in general I'm against trading up as rule when it cost high draft mulitple high draft picks.
However when the compensation is reasonable i.e. like Denver moving up for Cutler or Ravens moving up for Flacco etc. I'm all for it.
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If we start 2012 with Rex Grossman as our starting QB, I think I will blow up FedEx field.
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If we start 2012 with Rex Grossman as our starting QB, I think I will blow up FedEx field.
You are ruining the mystery of it.
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Old 02-16-2012, 12:27 AM   #749
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It depends on which metric, which aspect of the passing game and what your expectations were.

For me the passing game, but particularly the QB position, performed below expectations but were below league average.
Rex was one of the worst QBs in the league and averaged an offense killing/ season killing amount of turnovers.

To my eye the only units that exceeded expectations were the running game and the OL (if only because my expectations were very low).
The running game proved to be our best offensive weapon despite the playcaller's penchant for relying on the pass more then the run.
The OL on the whole was solid in pass protection to the point where it was viable to run a 5-step drop intensive offense.
And after the injuries hit it seemed the OL improved when young depth players were inserted into the line-up.

I think there are three areas that need to be addressed with best resources available: QB, OL: (RT that could possibly play LT, OG), Safety.

* I'm not against it for a potential 'franchise' QB.
But in general I'm against trading up as rule when it cost high draft mulitple high draft picks.
However when the compensation is reasonable i.e. like Denver moving up for Cutler or Ravens moving up for Flacco etc. I'm all for it.
To me, the Redskins kind of have to take the most premium player with a focus on offense. If they are willing to trade up, that may very well mean RG3. With Griffin and Blackmon both likely to be gone in the first four picks, its a good year to trade up. It's probably not necessary to give up your 2013 first rounder to do so, but if you're Mike Shanahan, it is easy to see why trading your 2013 first rounder is preferable to trading your 2012 second rounder. In terms of net present value there's not a huge difference between the two picks, so I mean, I think I'll live if they give up next year's first rounder to move up. It shouldn't cost too much more than that.

If they offer two first rounders to the Rams/Vikings, neither is going to say "no", they would either have a better offer from the Browns or Dolphins, or they would do that trade in a heartbeat.

And personally, I don't really care if the target is Griffin or Blackmon, as both will hopefully improve your passing offense. I have Griffin rated a lot higher than Blackmon, but if you have Blackmon rated much higher than RG3, then he's probably the one worth trading up for.

It does look like the cost of improving the passing offense in the first round would be a trade up and costing your 2013 first rounder. But you could get Trent Richardson, (perhaps) Mo Claiborne, or Reily Reiff to improve your ground game or pass defense without moving anywhere.
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Gtripp, do you think it is worth for the Redskins to trade up for Blackmon, when there is such a deep WR FA group this offseason with guys like Bowe and possibly Stevie Johnson. I am not comparing Blackmon to those guys, but I feel with cap room and the QB need, I would rather trade up for RG3.
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