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Old 02-16-2012, 03:31 PM   #796
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Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.

Now is not the time. We are in the middle of a rebuild. Sure you take risks, but you have to know when to take them.
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Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.
To be clear, I doubt Beathard regrets trading up for Ryan Leaf (he took a risk after all), but that doesn't mean I would recommend he do it again.
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Now is not the time. We are in the middle of a rebuild. Sure you take risks, but you have to know when to take them.
This is the time though. If last year, heck the last decade, is any indication it's that this team will go no where without a QB.

I can understand passing on Blaine Gabbert but in our division we need a QB to compete with the likes of Romo, Manning, and Vick. Griffin is capable of not only playing to their level but surpassing them.

Plus keep in mind QB's take time to develop. So say we get everything in place. Line, defense, receivers, running back. Then after all that we draft a QB. By the time that QB fully develops all those supporting players will be either near the end of their prime or past it. Pretty much every supporting position has a much quicker turnaround time then any rookie QB.

It is exponentially easier to find 2 Ryan Kerrigan's and a Leonard Hankerson then it is to find a franchise QB.
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This is the time though. If last year, heck the last decade, is any indication it's that this team will go no where without a QB.

I can understand passing on Blaine Gabbert but in our division we need a QB to compete with the likes of Romo, Manning, and Vick. Griffin is capable of not only playing to their level but surpassing them.

Plus keep in mind QB's take time to develop. So say we get everything in place. Line, defense, receivers, running back. Then after all that we draft a QB. By the time that QB fully develops all those supporting players will be either near the end of their prime or past it. Pretty much every supporting position has a much quicker turnaround time then any rookie QB.

It is exponentially easier to find 2 Ryan Kerrigan's and a Leonard Hankerson then it is to find a franchise QB.
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It is exponentially easier to find 2 Ryan Kerrigan's and a Leonard Hankerson then it is to find a franchise QB.
Is it though? There are about 10-ish team that have that stability at quarterback and only one really (Pittsburgh) that drafts and develops a pass rusher every year and routinely finds pro bowl receivers in the third round. Maybe the sampling is inconsistent, but it would seem that it's much easier to find a top QB with a first round pick than it is to consistently hit on players at premium positions elsewhere.
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This is the time though. If last year, heck the last decade, is any indication it's that this team will go no where without a QB.

I can understand passing on Blaine Gabbert but in our division we need a QB to compete with the likes of Romo, Manning, and Vick. Griffin is capable of not only playing to their level but surpassing them. .

So let's just abandon that long term plan that could set us up for future just to blow it on a mere chance?...lol


I'm just glad you guys don't handle my finances. When you have everything set, you can take those types of gambles. When you are broke and scraping for money, you don't take those types of gambles. We are broke and scraping guys. This isn't a 1 player away from greatness team. This is a "still needing a lot of talent and depth" to be a contender on a regular basis.

If we had a little more depth and talent, I would have no problem going for that risk. Doing so now could set us back big time.
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Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.
They would have won 4 with Rivers and those picks they traded to San Diego
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They would have won 4 with Rivers and those picks they traded to San Diego
I think they would have been better with Rivers, but if you believe the reports, the guy they were going to take at no. 4 was Roethlisberger.
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Now is not the time. We are in the middle of a rebuild. Sure you take risks, but you have to know when to take them.
If the time isn't now to get our QB then when is the time?
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So let's just abandon that long term plan that could set us up for future to come just to blow it on a mere chance?...lol


I'm just glad you guys don't handle my finances. When you have everything set, you can take those types of gambles. When you are broke and scraping for money, you don't take those types of gambles. We are broke and scraping guys. This isn't a 1 player away from greatness team. This is a "still needing a lot of talent depth" to be a contender on a regular basis.

If we had a little more depth and talent, I would have no problem going for that risk. Doing so now could set us back big time.
Getting a QB that will make you a contender for the next decade is not abandoning the long term plan especially when the net cost is two starters at best.

If anything not pulling the trigger on a prospect like Griffin is killing the long term plan. With scouting improving by leaps and bounds these diamond in the rough QB's are getting harder and harder to find so when you have a Griffin in your crosshairs you pull the trigger.

Like I said before by the time you're ready to pull the trigger on a QB all that depth and talent you built up will be on the backside of their career. And all we'll really have to show for passing on the chance to trade up for Griffin will be three or four solid starters, assuming we hit on all three of the picks it would cost for the trade up.

This is the NFC East. A division with 3 pro bowl QB's. You don't win it by spending years trying to recreate the hogs and having Kyle Orton or Rex Grossman handing off the ball to random Shanahan back 8b.

You want to talk about finances fine. RGIII is the Google IPO. Sure the $100 a share price is steep. However when it's at $700 a share three years later you'll be happy you invested.
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Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.
I feel ya, I completely agree. If we keep up what we have been doing and not draft a young stud, all of our key/young players will be past their prime and have to be replaced by the time we do. Not much reward comes with no risk
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