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Old 02-16-2012, 05:46 PM   #841
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No. What's getting stale is the..........TRADE IT ALL FOR THIS GUY BECAUSE HE"S THE SURE FIRE THING.....mentality. How about you practice your own advice and try something new instead of what we've been doing the past 12 years.
NEWS FLASH:

We have a different Front Office.

Maybe some hourly paid couch time might help you get past the trauma you suffered during the Ceratto era?

Now...breathe in, breathe out....isn't that soothing
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:49 PM   #842
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NEWS FLASH:

We have a different Front Office.

Maybe some hourly paid couch time might help you get past the trauma you suffered during the Ceratto era?

Now...breathe in, breathe out....isn't that soothing

I know and I'm glad for it. I have confidence they'll make the right decision. If it be a trade up, stay put, or move back in the draft. I'll be fine with it as long as we don't put all our eggs in one basket.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:01 PM   #843
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In the end I feel that Shanahan is not going to have one single strategy in mind. How this all develops will be a series of cause/effect situations happening. For instance here is my take:

Free Agency: The Redskins will look for a viable FA QB in free agency. If a healthy Manning is an option, I think MS goes for him. It gives him a lot of flexibility in the draft and the team will be able to keep their picks. Worst case scenario the team will sign some FA QB that is a viable starter, this will be important for any trade up negotiations. The Redskins will also look at the deep free agent class of WRs to possibly get their #1 receiver. Also, I am sure they will look for o-line depth, and defensive players.

Draft: With Manning or a viable FA QB starter, the Redskins may be in a better position to negotiate, as they will not appear to be desperate for RG3. So here is where a lot of things could happen or not happen. The Browns have the most ammo, but if they acquire a FA QB, then I think we become the next best trading partner. Also, RG3 could miraculously fall to us. Or we could trade up (esp if we don't have Manning), but hopefully it will mean that we won't be betting the farm. I think that if we do come out of free agency with a mediocre QB (e.g. another Grossman) then we are going to get bent over in a trade up.

My point with this is that anything can happen. There are good and bad reasons for acquiring Manning, there are good or bad reasons for trading up for RG3. At least we have options this year. We could be stuck with a terrible QB free agent class and having to overpay in a trade to get RG3.
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The Redskins have great flexibility in free agency to add contracts the way that the other NFC East teams do not have, and I think they will leverage that flexibility. I mean, you sign a bunch of 25 and 26 year olds and then you pay a huge price to go get Griffin, and you've managed to improve the team without mortgaging the future.

The problem is that, even if you do a great job with contract structure, there's going to be a certain percentage of the free agent class that just -- for lack of a better term -- doesn't fit, and you'll be overcoming it all season which is incredibly problematic if you don't have young depth behind it. Given a year to get it all right, you can always throw away the parts that didn't work out and keep the parts that did, but the biggest problem is that Mike Shanahan doesn't have a year to throw away.
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The Redskins have great flexibility in free agency to add contracts the way that the other NFC East teams do not have, and I think they will leverage that flexibility. I mean, you sign a bunch of 25 and 26 year olds and then you pay a huge price to go get Griffin, and you've managed to improve the team without mortgaging the future.

The problem is that, even if you do a great job with contract structure, there's going to be a certain percentage of the free agent class that just -- for lack of a better term -- doesn't fit, and you'll be overcoming it all season which is incredibly problematic if you don't have young depth behind it. Given a year to get it all right, you can always throw away the parts that didn't work out and keep the parts that did, but the biggest problem is that Mike Shanahan doesn't have a year to throw away.
And this is where his two wasted years of QB blunders will come back and haunt MS.
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Think of the Adam Archuleta signing in 2006 and how Gregg Williams was planning on starting Pierson Prioleau at SS that season. And then on the opening kickoff of the season (because someone has to cover kicks), Prioleau tears his knee up and you're stuck watching Archuleta get torched in coverage for seven games. If your Plan B is not existent, a Plan A such as I outlined above can work against you.
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And this is where his two wasted years of QB blunders will come back and haunt MS.
The single biggest problem with the Shanahan era has been that other part: that in terms of the moves he made, you can't really group it by moves that have worked out, and moves that haven't worked out. The two groups have been: moves that have failed spectacularly (McNabb, Brown, unfortunately Hightower), and moves that still could go either way (Banks, Cofield, Wilson, Atogwe, Bowen). There is no group of guys who have achieved great success in the NFL (Kerrigan? Even that's jumping to conclusions).

The moves that worked out great have been Vonnie Holliday, Jabar Gaffney, Sav Rocca. Those guys were all too old to be franchise cornerstones, and the offensive weapon of the group is the punter.
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I keep hearing the "we can't afford to take risks"...."let's stockpile our picks" arguement.

It's like a guy who gets his undergrad degree...gets offered a high paying job with big bonus incentives (performance based of course)...and turns it down because he doesn't want to risk not getting his MBA before hitting the field. He takes more years, gets his MBA, and comes out making the same money he was offered after undergrad...then he realizes that he could have "taken a risk", took the job, earned his MBA part-time, built up his resume and would have been making more $$$$.


Long and corny way to say....get our QB of the future and build around him while we develop him. Don't be afraid to multi-task.
We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.
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I know and I'm glad for it. I have confidence they'll make the right decision. If it be a trade up, stay put, or move back in the draft. I'll be fine with it as long as we don't put all our eggs in one basket.
What if that one basket was named Andrew Luck?

Given the Shanahan era to date, if I said you could get Andrew Luck in a trade with the Colts, but it would cost you every pick in the 2012 draft and the 2013 first rounder, would you trade an entire draft for the guy?

I'd have to imagine you would, because there is a good chance the Colts would turn that offer down if it was actually made to them.
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Exactly. By the way that jerk I operated on last week wants to sue me. Said surfing the web on my smart phone during emergency surgery counts as Malpractice.
Sounds like they should be suing the anesthesiologist. Emergency surgery should put the patient under. If the patient could tell what you were doing while operating on them, that's somebody else's problem...
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We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.
Analogy:

Given the choice between Giada DeLaurentis and Kate Upton.

I'll marry the sexier lady and teach her how to cook later. We'll just order take out for a while.
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I want to see! I have a lowly 1970 Mustang Fastback 302...
I'll post a pick in a couple of days in one of the other threads. If I can figure out how!

My daughter has surgery in the am and will not be home till Saturday. So sometime next week I will get it done.
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We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.
You mean how Cam Newton wasn't pro ready? Because i'll take that not pro ready every day of the week.
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EarthQuake, we aren't going to see a guy do what Cam did anytime soon. That guy was just a freak and is not comparable to RGIII. Completely different players.
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