Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

warriorzpath · 02-10-2012, 11:49 PM

I am really on the fence with both because- going by history- picking up a free agent franchise quarterback is really a longshot. I know the circumstances with Manning is different but whatever the reason the colts feel that their team and organization is better off without Manning (and his contract) which is just like any other player that gets cut.

But really this thread shouldn't be an either-or choice. I think whether or not the redskins are able to get Manning through free agency- they should really invest a high draft pick (preferably a 1st rounder) in a qb. Because- going by history again- a majority of the "franchise" qbs are obtained through the draft or get on a team very early on in their career and they develop as the team gets better too. Bottom line: it would seem to be a better option to try to find a franchise qb in the draft rather than pick up an aging franchise qb that was thrown or given away by another team.

What I'm really on the fence about though- is whether RGIII is worth giving up something like 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders for. If he's definitely a franchise qb then hell yeah but we all know that the draft is one big crapshoot. And giving up those draft picks is like losing 4 potential playmakers - like 2 Ryan Kerrigans and 2 Jarvis Jenkins on the team.

GTripp0012 · 02-10-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you can't discuss intelligently, go to ES. We keep hearing you repeat that you believe the Skins should take the risk and trade up for Griffin, but you're not giving one iota of logical reasoning as to why that direction makes the team better than acquiring Manning in free agency.

The case for trading up to 2 for Griffin is as follows:

Griffin would be a first overall pick in any other year. He can't be a first overall pick this year because Andrew Luck is in this draft. The Rams would be foolish to not draft Griffin, but if they are willing to trade that pick, better you be the team to get it than someone else.

If all that is true, then yeah, you'd go get Griffin because he's a once in every few years prospect.

I personally am rejecting that his pre-draft value is that high...that you can't get him with the 3rd or 4th pick. I think the world of him as a prospect, but I wouldn't even take him at 6th if I had a healthy Peyton Manning on my roster.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-10-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ok Vinny. I'm glad you don't run this team anymore either. How's the job search coming along?

Pretty good. I'm a manager at a Gamestop now, doesn't pay as much as Genreal Manager does but I still get the bills paid.

NC_Skins · 02-10-2012, 11:52 PM

..and for the record, I'm a huge fan of RGIII and would love him to be in the B&G. That said, it's not the best move for the future of this team to sell the farm to get him. Nobody wants a franchise QB more than me. I've had to watch guys like Bradshaw, Montana, Young, Elway, Manning, Brady all come in this league and tear it up while our team struggled year after year for the past 20 years. It sucks, but we have to stop doing business the fools way. The reason Vinny was so shitty at his job wasn't because he didn't know football or personnel, it was because he took too many chances. He gambled the OL's health would stay up. He gambled those big time FA would make a impact. He gambled trading those picks would pan out with veteran acquisitions. He gambled on high risk draft picks. Our fans seriously need a detoxing of this poisonous culture that jerkoff created. We long to have a guy like Bill Belicheck here, but we shun the method he uses to build a team. Ironic to say the least.

SirClintonPortis · 02-10-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Franchise quarterbacks are fun. Until 2012 happens, Alex Smith both is and is not a franchise quarterback, depending on the argument you are trying to make. And even better, you don't have to believe one or the other. You can just use the term or reject the term as it suits you.

All you have done is highlighted yet another example of the equivocation fallacy.

SBXVII · 02-10-2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"?

He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year.

There is a difference between getting sacked and getting rushed or hit after the ball is delivered. But I'll say this..... PM will not hold on to the ball in the back field like a statue waiting to get hit. He'll make smarter decisions as to where to go with the ball. Plus he should be able to read the defense better then what we got now.

NC_Skins · 02-10-2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Pretty good. I'm a manager at a Gamestop now, doesn't pay as much as Genreal Manager does but I still get the bills paid.

I imagine you are 100x better at your job than that fool was. That counts for something.

SBXVII · 02-10-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I"m sorry. I missed the 49ers being in the top 10 in the draft this year.

Insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting different results. I figured you guys would have "gotten it" over this past decade but apparently you long for the Cerrato era back again. *sighs*

Holey crap. I had no idea you put this up, I was on page 3 when I wrote the same thing in a responce. Scarey.

GTripp0012 · 02-10-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

All you have done is highlighted yet another example of the equivocation fallacy.

Call it intentional.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-11-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I imagine you are 100x better at your job than that fool was. That counts for something.

Lol true, and for the record I see why people don't wanna trade up for RGIII. Am I gonna turn in my fan card if we sign Manning, draft Blackmon and Foles? No. Just from my stance RGIII will be the best player in this draft down the road in my opinion. But I never said we should go Ditka for him. I still think he could be there at 6. All it takes is an average combine from him and someone like Riley Reiff or Dre Kirkpatrick wowing the scouts.

WestCoastSkinsFan · 02-11-2012, 12:00 AM

I'm in with a healthy Peyton Manning. More building through the draft.

Lotus · 02-11-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Franchise quarterbacks are fun. Until 2012 happens, Alex Smith both is and is not a franchise quarterback, depending on the argument you are trying to make. And even better, you don't have to believe one or the other. You can just use the term or reject the term as it suits you.

For these reasons you'll see that I avoid the term "franchise QB" whenever possible and instead use adjectives describing QB quality or longevity.

NC_Skins · 02-11-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by biffle

5. I couldn't care less if the Redskins become "playoff contenders". I want them to become "Super Bowl contenders". There's a difference. And teams that don't set their sights on titles never win them.

You (and the others) remind me of this scene.

You'll swing away blowing your chance to be a consistent winner, just so you can hit the big shot.

What happens if RGIII busts? You trade the farm again in 3 years for the next big thing? And that guy busts? You trade the farm again in 3 more years? The cycle continues until you finally hit the big one eh?...lol

There are times to take chances, and times you don't. We are in no situation to be taking many chances, much like Roy wasn't.

SBXVII · 02-11-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Good case, but the money spent on Manning will hamper their ability to sign other free agents that could end up being as valuable, if not more, than some of their draft picks. His health is a legitimate concern at this point.

Come on folks PM is not going to command our whole available CAP money. On top of that we really don't need to go out and pick up 10 FA's. We need a Vet QB and WR. Then possibly a FS or CB. The rest I'd take in the draft and by trading back we'd get more picks.

SirClintonPortis · 02-11-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I"m sorry. I missed the 49ers being in the top 10 in the draft this year.

Insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting different results. I figured you guys would have "gotten it" over this past decade but apparently you long for the Cerrato era back again. *sighs*

They have had a top-11 pick every year from 2005 until this past season. One was used in a trade down.

But deliberately getting a top-11 pick every year would grate you due to your ethics about sport, now would it?

View Poll Results: If you had to choose between the two...
Sign Peyton Manning	43	32.82%
Trade up for RGIII	88	67.18%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

02-10-2012, 11:49 PM	#76
warriorzpath The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,394	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I am really on the fence with both because- going by history- picking up a free agent franchise quarterback is really a longshot. I know the circumstances with Manning is different but whatever the reason the colts feel that their team and organization is better off without Manning (and his contract) which is just like any other player that gets cut. But really this thread shouldn't be an either-or choice. I think whether or not the redskins are able to get Manning through free agency- they should really invest a high draft pick (preferably a 1st rounder) in a qb. Because- going by history again- a majority of the "franchise" qbs are obtained through the draft or get on a team very early on in their career and they develop as the team gets better too. Bottom line: it would seem to be a better option to try to find a franchise qb in the draft rather than pick up an aging franchise qb that was thrown or given away by another team. What I'm really on the fence about though- is whether RGIII is worth giving up something like 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders for. If he's definitely a franchise qb then hell yeah but we all know that the draft is one big crapshoot. And giving up those draft picks is like losing 4 potential playmakers - like 2 Ryan Kerrigans and 2 Jarvis Jenkins on the team.

02-10-2012, 11:52 PM	#79
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,254	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice ..and for the record, I'm a huge fan of RGIII and would love him to be in the B&G. That said, it's not the best move for the future of this team to sell the farm to get him. Nobody wants a franchise QB more than me. I've had to watch guys like Bradshaw, Montana, Young, Elway, Manning, Brady all come in this league and tear it up while our team struggled year after year for the past 20 years. It sucks, but we have to stop doing business the fools way. The reason Vinny was so shitty at his job wasn't because he didn't know football or personnel, it was because he took too many chances. He gambled the OL's health would stay up. He gambled those big time FA would make a impact. He gambled trading those picks would pan out with veteran acquisitions. He gambled on high risk draft picks. Our fans seriously need a detoxing of this poisonous culture that jerkoff created. We long to have a guy like Bill Belicheck here, but we shun the method he uses to build a team. Ironic to say the least. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

02-11-2012, 12:00 AM	#86
WestCoastSkinsFan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 30 Posts: 216	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I'm in with a healthy Peyton Manning. More building through the draft.

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