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Old 02-16-2012, 10:17 PM   #901
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I swear if Rex is our starter
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Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez!

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type


Giving up a 3rd rounder for someone that wasn't even drafted and hasn't done much outside of pre season doesn't make much sense to me. Clausen doesn't even belong in the NFL. These two could be worse than Rex and Beck.
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I really wish someone could explain to me why Ryan Tannehill is such a favorite as a third QB in this draft. In terms of his components, he's not in the top three in any one thing (height, perhaps the exception after Osweiler), whether measured statistically or observationally. And it would seem logical, that if you break the quarterback class down into components and Tannehill comes out average or below average in most skills, that the fact that he combines all of those blah skills into one package shouldn't make a better prospect than guys (like Foles or Cousins) that do one or two things exceptionally well, but have obvious flaws in either their footwork or decision making.

It would seem that grading only on skill sets, Tannehill has absolutely nothing on Weeden or Osweiler, who are both more physically gifted quaterbacks. If grading him on the production he flashed in college, he's not Foles, he's not Cousins, and he's not 30% of Kellen Moore. I don't feel I'm being unfair to Tannehill at all by putting him solidly in the second round of a class I've already given five first round grades in. In doing so, I'm ranking him ahead of Weeden and Osweiler, who are two guys who can just do more with their arms.
Without sidetracking the thread into a Tannehill discussion and to answer your (rhetorical?) question.
Your assessment of Tannehill is likely very different from the people that see him as 1st round prospect.
For example to my eye Tannehill's arm talent is on the same level as the top arm talents in this class Foles and Osweiler.
His athleticism is near tops in this class behind only Griffin and Russell Wilson.
To my eye Tannehill has more arm talent and is more athletic then Luck.
But Tannehill is raw.
His comparative lack of playing experience makes him a less 'polished' or 'finished' prospect.
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Given the choice between Giada DeLaurentis and Kate Upton.

I'll marry the sexier lady and teach her how to cook later. We'll just order take out for a while.
I see your point but we're talking about quarterbacking in the NFL. And besides, Giada would probably be a much better wife, she's the one you take home to mom. Kate would be the the one that you take to bed to get freaky with.
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Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about
lol quite right I forget all about.
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You mean how Cam Newton wasn't pro ready? Because i'll take that not pro ready every day of the week.
Two different guys. Newton is a physically imposing man that can run over guys and take the punishment. RG3 isn't that type of physical runner. He can't carry the load like Newton can. I just don't think we should give up a lot of picks to move up to take him. If he's there at #6 then by all means.
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i don't even care anymore. rg3 has shown me enough potential. i was completely against drafting qbs in the 1st round but i just don't care anymore. i want luck or rg3 even if it means coughing up two 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick.
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Without sidetracking the thread into a Tannehill discussion and to answer your (rhetorical?) question.
Your assessment of Tannehill is likely very different from the people that see him as 1st round prospect.
For example to my eye Tannehill's arm talent is on the same level as the top arm talents in this class Foles and Osweiler.
His athleticism is near tops in this class behind only Griffin and Russell Wilson.
To my eye Tannehill has more arm talent and is more athletic then Luck.
But Tannehill is raw.
His comparative lack of playing experience makes him a less 'polished' or 'finished' prospect.
I agree that his athleticism is the 'x' factor here. But arm talent has a lot of definitions, and I think Tannehill only fits the most narrow definition (that his arm is talented enough to spin a clean football anywhere within 12 yards). Where as Osweiler and Weeden have stronger arms that can drive the football and do so impressively from multiple planes.

And, again, I have Tannehill ranked higher than those two guys, so obviously physical skill set doesn't much matter in my rankings compared against what you can do with it. But it's hard to imagine his supporters being right on him if they are using his "rawness" to justify a high draft grade. I think Osweiler is incredibly raw, but I wouldn't take him in the first ten picks because of that.
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I agree that his athleticism is the 'x' factor here. But arm talent has a lot of definitions, and I think Tannehill only fits the most narrow definition (that his arm is talented enough to spin a clean football anywhere within 12 yards). Where as Osweiler and Weeden have stronger arms that can drive the football and do so impressively from multiple planes.
By arm talent I mean the ability to drive the ball with velocity on the litmus test NFL throws: deep comebacks, deep dig, bang 8 (skinny post), deep out.
Tannehill can make all these throws with better velocity then most in this draft class save for maybe Foles and Osweiler.
To my eye Tannehill can make these throws with ease while on the move where as Foles and Weedens accuracy/velocity is affected/diminished with movement.

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And, again, I have Tannehill ranked higher than those two guys, so obviously physical skill set doesn't much matter in my rankings compared against what you can do with it. But it's hard to imagine his supporters being right on him if they are using his "rawness" to justify a high draft grade. I think Osweiler is incredibly raw, but I wouldn't take him in the first ten picks because of that.
You lost me a little here.
Why do you have Tannehill ranked higher then those guys?
Also, something must have been lost in the translation because I don't rate Tannehill highly because he's raw.
Rather its his rawness that prevents him from have a higher grade for me.
That and a tendency to throw at a lower arm angle sometime 3/4 to sidearm motion.
If feel like he doesn't fully extend his throwing arm which doesn't allow him to maximize his throwing height which results in more batted balls then a QB his size should have.
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They should trade back if they're targeting a WR. Floyd or Jeffery could be had later. The more picks the better.
There is a select few of us who are on page with you but the majority would love to throw caution to the wind and just go get what they want at any cost with out any knowledge as to if the possibility will even work out. But they'd be happy and thats all that should matter.
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Peyton Manning risks make one suitor seem increasingly likely - The Washington Post

Wow. just wow. Do these writers really understand who runs the Redskins anymore? I expect this kind of piece from a national writer but not from a local.
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Well, they are right about one thing. The dude is bright, animated, well spoken and quite entertaining. With his Football acumen, he would be a real asset to ESPN.........
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Isn't there a doctor here? Because from what I've heard this latest news is really being blown out of proportion. More surgery? Yeah probably but that could be a minor procedures many years down the road. Bone spurs? Not uncommon and not always such a big deal
Yeah, NFL players get this procedure all the time and are able to return to football with out inident. A major example is Montana, but for those who don't want PM to interfere with their team selecting RGIII, this is an anomaly and only PM is and or has been subjected to these issue's. Lets not take him. (sarcasm)
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Mark Rypien's take:

Mark Rypien on Peyton Manning to the Redskins - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

Basically stating the reasons why I want Manning in a Redskins uni.
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