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Old 02-17-2012, 01:44 PM   #931
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Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

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but re:"this is what you're missing GTripp"
To my eye Tannehill has as much if not more physical talent then Luck.
Imo he has better arm talent then Luck, he's more athletic, he can throw equally as well on the run (which is a critically important trait that some elite QBs possess Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vick, Ben Rothlisberger etc), they're about on the same level in throwing motion, I think Tannehill has a slightly quicker release and for me the most critical assest for me is playmaking.
Tannehill can can extends plays with his legs by evading pressure and can also gain chunks of yards that extend drives with his legs.
The main attributes that prevent Tannehill from being in the same tier as Luck are attainable for Tannehill through coaching and experience.
Tannehill simply lacks 'command'.
This probably is as close as I was hoping to get to understanding "why Tannehill?" I don't think the Ryan Tannehill who played at Texas A&M showed much of any of this, certainly I don't think he's in the same category with his arm or even with his athleticism that Andrew Luck is.

But I don't know, maybe Tannehill has great success starts a mass trend of college receivers being converted to quarterback in the pros. It seems strange, but if the QB position is really as important as people think it is, you'd think some of these QB gurus would be open to trying more athletes at the position.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:03 PM   #932
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Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

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Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd
I would do neither. Losing two high draft picks is just too much. We're not good enough to give away picks. As I said, Qb's can be found later in the 1st round or 2nd round. Orton is just another Rex that doesn't know the system.

I wouldn't mind trading down but under NO circumstances do we bring Manning here. No more quick fix BS and then try and sell that crap to the fans. Manning is 36 years old with a bad neck. That's like buying a sports car with 150,000 miles. Only a matter of time before something goes wrong. Not a fan of Tannehill cause he's too raw. Draft Foles or Cousins, keep Rex and maybe try and sign Hoyer. So...next year you'd have a rookie qb, Hoyer and Rex.
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it's about future potential with Hoyer really. He's extremely well regarded by many NFL teams perhaps more so than Flynn in some cases.
I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:12 PM   #935
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Option 2 is actually worth considering if all we had to give up to get RGIII (in addition to our #6 overall) were a 1st or 2nd. However, i dont think thats remotely realistic. Moving up would likely cost much more, so i'll take option 1.

Option 2 would not do too much to help us now, and we'd be putting way too much (in terms of draft picks) into one player, that, while has loads of upside, is way too much of a risk.

Option 1 (assuming mannings healthy) would allow us to win now, add additional players, while giving our QB of the future time to develop. Its the best of both worlds. Win now and later.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:13 PM   #936
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Sounds like in your opinion signing Orton is an indication that the skins will make a serious push for RG3.

Those are really the only 2 workable options to me. Orton is not enough of an immediate upgrade to pair with any sort of developmental QB and if they get Manning spending extra resources to move up for RG3 is highly unlikely.
Not necessarily. I was just throwing it out there as an option. Of the two choices I'd prefer Manning (healthy), RT, and picks. Largely bc I don't think the gap between RG3 and RT is that big
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Option 2 is actually worth considering if all we had to give up to get RGIII (in addition to our #6 overall) were a 1st or 2nd. However, i dont think thats remotely realistic. Moving up would likely cost much more, so i'll take option 1.

Option 2 would not do too much to help us now, and we'd be putting way too much (in terms of draft picks) into one player, that, while has loads of upside, is way too much of a risk.

Option 1 (assuming mannings healthy) would allow us to win now, add additional players, while giving our QB of the future time to develop. Its the best of both worlds. Win now and later.
I agree, option 1 gives the team the best of both worlds.
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I agree, option 1 gives the team the best of both worlds.
a veteran qb who can no longer play, a rookie qb, and an extra 2nd or 3rd in this years draft? what worlds are these?
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Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

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Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd
Quite honestly I'd be happy with either option. And this is why I'm glad I don't make those decisions.
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Not necessarily. I was just throwing it out there as an option. Of the two choices I'd prefer Manning (healthy), RT, and picks. Largely bc I don't think the gap between RG3 and RT is that big
this is the problem. Manning could never play again, he may only play another season, he could be in and out of the lineup for the next several years...either of those happenings is a massive, epic fail. Tannehill is not ready to start, he cant even throw right now. He will be a project.
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Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd



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Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd
I'll take the RGIII package.
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Not necessarily. I was just throwing it out there as an option. Of the two choices I'd prefer Manning (healthy), RT, and picks. Largely bc I don't think the gap between RG3 and RT is that big
Ok. I will take the RG3 package. Your reasoning makes sense but is largely based on your opinion of there being a small gap between RG3 & RT. I am no scout but from everything i have read and heard you are in the minority on that front. Most seem to think RG3 can start soon if not right away and may have the highest ceiling in the draft while most think RT is a good prospect but needs a year or 2 on the pine.

Just to be clear...I like the healthy Manning/RT package also but I like it less because I think we will need to decide before we are positive Manning is healthy. And if we find out he's not healthy after we pull the trigger then we are in big trouble with a washed up Manning and an RT that's not ready. That's the riskier option to me then parting with a couple extra draft picks.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:08 PM   #943
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Well remember in my scenario I'm talking RT plus picks vs RG3 minus picks. I think that, to me at least, closes the gap
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I'd take the Manning deal with RT
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I'm for trying to get Bradford from St. Lou but I don't think that's going to happen & I know Indy isn't giviing up the 1st pick but if your going to trade up why not try to get Luck, what about a 2012 1st & 2nd, 2013 1st & 3rd 2014 1st & 4th? would you do it. NOW that's all in get the QB you reallly want IMO.
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