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Old 02-17-2012, 04:59 PM   #946
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Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

I am really hopping on to the RGIII bandwagon hard, both after hearing his interview on Sirius a few weeks back, and the Halsell interview that Matty posted. I don't know that we will get him, and worry about his style of play leading to injuries. But right now I would be ecstatic if we moved up to the 3rd spot and picked him up.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:07 PM   #947
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Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

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Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd
Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd.
But I think this trade down scenario is easier said then done.
Depending on what happens in FA we still have to worry about the Dolphins (who signed Mike Sherman (Tannehill's HC as their OC) and we still have the QB needy Seahawks too.


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I don't think the Ryan Tannehill who played at Texas A&M showed much of any of this, certainly I don't think he's in the same category with his arm or even with his athleticism that Andrew Luck is.
And this is the heart of the difference in our views of Tannehill.
I think Tannehill has better arm talent and is vastly more athletic then you.
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Well remember in my scenario I'm talking RT plus picks vs RG3 minus picks. I think that, to me at least, closes the gap
Thats the kicker for me too.

Id rather have placeholder like orton+RT+picks longterm versus RG3 minus picks (and realistically, speaking minus orakpo too, based on the trade scenarios you through a few weeks ago)
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Your reasoning makes sense but is largely based on your opinion of there being a small gap between RG3 & RT. I am no scout but from everything i have read and heard you are in the minority on that front. Most seem to think RG3 can start soon if not right away and may have the highest ceiling in the draft while most think RT is a good prospect but needs a year or 2 on the pine.
Even though I think Tannehill is an above average playmaker himself, I think Griffin clearly out classes everyone in this draft when it comes to playmaking and that is the trait I value most.
And he was certainly a more efficient QB in Baylor's offense then Tannehill was at A&M.
But in the NFL both will start from scratch in brand new systems and most pro systems will be closer to A&Ms then Baylor's.
But outside of those 2 areas I don't see where the a huge gulf in their skill set exists.
What factors do you see that create the vast difference in their skill sets?

I think there is as much to suggest that Tannehill could start week 1 as there is to suggest that he couldn't.
There is arguably more to suggest that Griffin would need to sit then there is to suggest that Tannehill would need to sit, especially in our offense.
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I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.
Yeah he won't be easy to get, for sure
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I'm for trying to get Bradford from St. Lou but I don't think that's going to happen & I know Indy isn't giviing up the 1st pick but if your going to trade up why not try to get Luck, what about a 2012 1st & 2nd, 2013 1st & 3rd 2014 1st & 4th? would you do it. NOW that's all in get the QB you reallly want IMO.
I don't think anyone is giving up 6 picks for Luck. The most I'd give for Luck is:

2012 1st rd.
2013 1st rd.
2014 2nd rd.

If you don't want it whatever
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Well remember in my scenario I'm talking RT plus picks vs RG3 minus picks. I think that, to me at least, closes the gap
I'd like to hear your RGIII vs "Clark Kent" Tannehill Smooty. Like why do you think the gap is so small.
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I'd like to hear your RGIII vs "Clark Kent" Tannehill Smooty. Like why do you think the gap is so small.
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Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

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Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd
With the healthy caveat on Manning, I'd go with that option. I love RGIII but his cost will be significant and 2 yrs from Manning with a handoff to Tannehill plus keeping picks is best short and long term. I think though that with Seattle sitting around 12 we won't be able to go too far down and still get him. Plan B could be Osweiler. I think he's got some talent but really needs to be coached up. He could be had in the mid-late 2nd and would be a nice Manning caddy.
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It is a tough call because you see just how good Peyton was under center for the Colts, How much better he made them. I mean that was the same team he commands to a 10 - 11 win season, that with out him won 2 games?? That is the instant impact he has IF HEALTHY. IF HEALTHY he gives us 3 years of service, and grooming someone to come in behind him (cousins, Tennihill)

HOWEVER, I just can't see us passing on the option of getting RGIII. He is a stud. Better passer than Cam Newton, and runs faster. Not as big, but tremendous athlete. I would absolutely love to finally have our own double threat QB in DC. Problem is, the Rams have to be willing to take what we have to in order to move up to get him.

So, if moving up isn't a possibility, then Peyton it is, draft Cousins 2nd or 3rd round and let him learn behind one of the best QB's to ever play the game.
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I like option one, but one thing is how far do we drop down for RT? I would hate to trade down and miss RT. At least if you give up the picks for RG3, you know you will get him.
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Plan B could be Osweiler. I think he's got some talent but really needs to be coached up. He could be had in the mid-late 2nd and would be a nice Manning caddy.
The hype I heard is he's sneaking into the 1st.
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The hype I heard is he's sneaking into the 1st.
I could see the hype pushing him but he's got a lot of holes for a first rounder.
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I could see the hype pushing him but he's got a lot of holes for a first rounder.
I agree, wouldn't be surprised if a team falls in love with him at the combine. The whole workout warrior thing.
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Quite honestly I'd be happy with either option. And this is why I'm glad I don't make those decisions.
And this is the sad reality we live in. With rex grossman, john beck and donovan Mcnabb, either of those options sound absolutley wonderful. Just shows you how bad the Shanahans have screwed the pooch when it comes to the QB position. Sorry, but if a coach has been in control for over 2 years, and there is absolutely NO answer of any sort, and by that I mean NO YOUNG TALENT or anything that even resembles a qb that will give you chances to win games, then he needs to be held accountable. Ignoring the most important position on the squad, and adding marginally better young talent in two years, well, lets hope he really flashes his genius this year.

If he doesn't, then maybe some difficult decisions need to be made. Lesser coaches have done WAY more with just as little talent, and also done it in a much shorter span than having over 24 months. Noone shanahan has brought in has knocked my socks off. Noone. he has made some solid acquisitions, but put in a situation, you have 53 chances to show that you are adding talent, and making the team better. When looked at as a whole, the only reason i feel ANY reason to be optimistic is that our team is on average 2.1 years younger on average at the end of this past season than two seasons ago. That is the only reason. There has to be a palpable show of proof, and having two years with both 1st and 2nd rounders each of his drafts, well, like I said, Im not astonished.

Here is to hoping he doesnt screw the pooch this year, and does what it takes to get a quarterback for our team.
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