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Old 02-17-2012, 09:08 PM   #991
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does anyone else buy the pro football weekly draft preview? i love carrying that around and reading about every player when i'm waiting in line or something of that nature
I buy all the major draft ones usually 4 magazines a year I'm getting on that stuff. Its good to read each magazines pros and cons of each player, and looking back on years past to see who was right on their evaluations and predictions and who wasn't. They also help you get a consensus answer on each player like if all magazines agree that Vontaze is 'overrated'.
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I'm not giving up 3 1st rounders for anyone, but to be honest I do like RGIII a little more than Luck. I think he has a higher ceiling but a lower floor if that makes sense. Plus with Luck you would have to pretty much give away your entire draft for. 3 1st rounders is the opening asking price and that's ridiculous but 5 to 10 years from now I think RGIII will be the better player.
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There are 2 question marks with Peyton Manning- is he healthy and how will he play after a year away from football? The first question is the easily most important.

The thing I don't get is - why are there no question marks being discussed with RGIII? Why is he the one qb that no one questions- with his talent and skill?

I would start off with - what usually makes a qb great in the nfl? And does he possess or have the likely potential to attain those qualities?

I'm not saying that he doesn't - I'm just saying I don't know. I'm just wondering what has a bunch of people convinced so early.

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There are 2 question marks with Peyton Manning- is he healthy and how will he play after a year away from football? The first question is the easily most important.

The thing I don't get is - why are there no question marks being discussed with RGIII? Why is he the one qb that no one questions- with his talent and skill?

I would start off with - what usually makes a qb great in the nfl? And does he possess or have the likely potential to attain those qualities?

I'm not saying that he doesn't - I'm just saying I don't know. I'm just wondering what has a bunch of people convinced so early.
Good question, but you could say the exact same thing about Luck.
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Good question, but you could say the exact same thing about Luck.
That's true but one difference is - Luck first garnered his attention after last season, which basically put him under a microscope. Because of that attention - this past season, he was evaluated in every game he played.

RGIII got much of his attention in his pursuit of the heisman and then after he won it. So there weren't as many games that fans and media paid attention to up that point. And that's why there should be much less thats known with RGIII. And thats also why I think there should be more question marks with him.
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The more I watch Tannehill the more I don't want him. He always starts games off well, and then falters awfully in them the later it is in the game. Why didn't he start at QB 2 years ago? I just don't trust a guy who was a WR 2 years ago and just got the starting job midway through last year, because of injury.
But how much of A&M's struggle are because of him vs the entire team struggling against a better opponent?

re:Why didn't he start at QB 2 years ago?

He didn't start 2 years ago because as a freshmen he lost the QB competition between a Sr. QB Stephen McGee who turned out to be an NFL prospect that was drafted by the Cowboys and Jerrod Johnson another pro prospect QB.
He was then asked to move to WR to help the team (which he did) because at the time he was the 3rd QB behind Jerrod Johnson who was arguably the best QB in the Big 12 (better then Colt McCoy) before he trashed his shoulder.
So long story short: Tannehill moved to WR because as a freshmen there were 2 NFL QBs ahead of him.

And to be clear he played all of last year at QB it was the previous year that he took over mid-season and it wasn't because of 'injury'; Johnson was physically able to play (he had surgery on his shoulder over the previous summer and opened the season as the starter).
The A&M staff thought Tannehill would be a better option following some tough loses where Johnson underperformed and it turns out the staff was right.
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And this is the sad reality we live in. With rex grossman, john beck and donovan Mcnabb, either of those options sound absolutley wonderful. Just shows you how bad the Shanahans have screwed the pooch when it comes to the QB position. Sorry, but if a coach has been in control for over 2 years, and there is absolutely NO answer of any sort, and by that I mean NO YOUNG TALENT or anything that even resembles a qb that will give you chances to win games, then he needs to be held accountable. Ignoring the most important position on the squad, and adding marginally better young talent in two years, well, lets hope he really flashes his genius this year.

If he doesn't, then maybe some difficult decisions need to be made. Lesser coaches have done WAY more with just as little talent, and also done it in a much shorter span than having over 24 months. Noone shanahan has brought in has knocked my socks off. Noone. he has made some solid acquisitions, but put in a situation, you have 53 chances to show that you are adding talent, and making the team better. When looked at as a whole, the only reason i feel ANY reason to be optimistic is that our team is on average 2.1 years younger on average at the end of this past season than two seasons ago. That is the only reason. There has to be a palpable show of proof, and having two years with both 1st and 2nd rounders each of his drafts, well, like I said, Im not astonished.

Here is to hoping he doesnt screw the pooch this year, and does what it takes to get a quarterback for our team.

I think you are WAY off base. if you remember last years draft we were in position to draft Blain Gabbert, and for what ever reason Shanahan didn't like him (i was hoping to draft him) and out of all the rookies that played last year Gabbert looked freaking horrible. So I think he was left with the fact he had no choice but to suck it up and try and win some games with Rex and go after a QB this year. I think he knew the "franchise" QB was going to come out of this years draft, and he was/is going to be willing to throw a few picks away to get his guy. I think it was a fantastic move thinking Luck, Griffin, and probably at the time Barkely was coming out and we'd get one of them.

Now, as far as adding talent, I have no idea what team you are watching. The draft last season was spectacular in tems of adding more picks, adding young talent and the talent actually contributing on the field. If Jenkins had not been hurt, 11 or all 12 of the picks would have played and contributed. Helu, Royster seem to be pretty decent. Kerrigan, Gomes, Hurt, Hankerson, Jenkins, Neild - dont see your reasoning. Then the free agent grabs in Cofield and Bowen have absolutely helped, plus the drafting of Perry Riley the year before.(he is going to be a stud)

I dont think (in my opinion) this is a make and break year for Shanahan. It is his 3rd year, and there will be some improvement, hopefully a lot of improvement from the standpoint of wins and losses that is. As far as competing on the field, we were competative all year last year. Played down to the opponent, up to the opponent, so its just a matter of getting to a consistant level of play. WE are headed in the right direction.
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I disagree with shanny losing his touch but I also disagree that he's safe with another 5 or 6 win season. IMO if we don't win at least 8 games then he should be gone.. Mike shanahan is a guy that u put trust in to be competitive and win games he's not Jim Zorn., heck even he won 8 games one year.
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There are 2 question marks with Peyton Manning- is he healthy and how will he play after a year away from football? The first question is the easily most important.

The thing I don't get is - why are there no question marks being discussed with RGIII? Why is he the one qb that no one questions- with his talent and skill?

I would start off with - what usually makes a qb great in the nfl? And does he possess or have the likely potential to attain those qualities?

I'm not saying that he doesn't - I'm just saying I don't know. I'm just wondering what has a bunch of people convinced so early.
I hear you. I look at the last 10 QBs to win the Super Bowl and wonder if RGIII has similar traits. Maybe, but it's not glaringly obvious to me. I don't get the "lock" sentiment with him. That said, I'd love to have him, but not at an exorbitant cost.
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I hear you. I look at the last 10 QBs to win the Super Bowl and wonder if RGIII has similar traits. Maybe, but it's not glaringly obvious to me. I don't get the "lock" sentiment with him. That said, I'd love to have him, but not at an exorbitant cost.
I think Griffin's physical profile and skill set are strikingly similar to Aaron Rodgers.
Similar build (almost the exact same build), both excellent runners (Griffin is obviously better), both good throwing on the move outside the pocket, both can evade/elude pressure/sacks, both are excellent deep ball passers, both throw with above average velocity.

I think Griffin's playing style is similar to these Super Bowl winning QBs:
Steve Young
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Roger Staubach
Brett Favre
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I disagree with shanny losing his touch but I also disagree that he's safe with another 5 or 6 win season. IMO if we don't win at least 8 games then he should be gone.. Mike shanahan is a guy that u put trust in to be competitive and win games he's not Jim Zorn., heck even he won 8 games one year.
I agree.
I think the only ways the team goes below .500 and Mike Shanahan isn't on the hot seat are:
o draft and play a rookie QB

o sign/trade for a QB that plays well above yet have a losing season despite good QB play
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I enjoyed that article. The writer has a little wishful thinking in the idea that Manning won't get signed before Flynn or other free agents. There will be a team that will take a chance on the Manning name\brand.
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I'm not sure which thread is appropriate for this article, but since Griffin is big part in this article, I thought this one is good spot. I believe McShay made a valid point about not trading up for Griffin -

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“Ultimately, I do think they’re inside that safe zone for where they’re going to be and for the potential of a team wanting to move up to get an elite player,” McShay says. “But also, if you’re sitting there at six, maybe they want to get that elite player. … They did draft very well last year. But even if they don’t get the quarterback, or if they address it in free agency, to me, nailing the draft again this year is going to be huge for not just the short-term, but more importantly, the long-term of this organization. And if they get a good deal to move back, they should do it, or if not, you sit there, you get a Morris Claiborne, who’s a shut-down corner, who can help take their defense to the next level"
McShay: Redskins have options in NFL draft - The Insider - The Washington Post
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I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.
I think the guy needs to put something on film besides pre season games. If NE does that then good for them. No one is taking that bait.
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