Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

Brody81 · 02-18-2012, 06:48 AM

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#56fanatic · 02-18-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

And this is the sad reality we live in. With rex grossman, john beck and donovan Mcnabb, either of those options sound absolutley wonderful. Just shows you how bad the Shanahans have screwed the pooch when it comes to the QB position. Sorry, but if a coach has been in control for over 2 years, and there is absolutely NO answer of any sort, and by that I mean NO YOUNG TALENT or anything that even resembles a qb that will give you chances to win games, then he needs to be held accountable. Ignoring the most important position on the squad, and adding marginally better young talent in two years, well, lets hope he really flashes his genius this year.

If he doesn't, then maybe some difficult decisions need to be made. Lesser coaches have done WAY more with just as little talent, and also done it in a much shorter span than having over 24 months. Noone shanahan has brought in has knocked my socks off. Noone. he has made some solid acquisitions, but put in a situation, you have 53 chances to show that you are adding talent, and making the team better. When looked at as a whole, the only reason i feel ANY reason to be optimistic is that our team is on average 2.1 years younger on average at the end of this past season than two seasons ago. That is the only reason. There has to be a palpable show of proof, and having two years with both 1st and 2nd rounders each of his drafts, well, like I said, Im not astonished.

Here is to hoping he doesnt screw the pooch this year, and does what it takes to get a quarterback for our team.

I think you are WAY off base. if you remember last years draft we were in position to draft Blain Gabbert, and for what ever reason Shanahan didn't like him (i was hoping to draft him) and out of all the rookies that played last year Gabbert looked freaking horrible. So I think he was left with the fact he had no choice but to suck it up and try and win some games with Rex and go after a QB this year. I think he knew the "franchise" QB was going to come out of this years draft, and he was/is going to be willing to throw a few picks away to get his guy. I think it was a fantastic move thinking Luck, Griffin, and probably at the time Barkely was coming out and we'd get one of them.

Now, as far as adding talent, I have no idea what team you are watching. The draft last season was spectacular in tems of adding more picks, adding young talent and the talent actually contributing on the field. If Jenkins had not been hurt, 11 or all 12 of the picks would have played and contributed. Helu, Royster seem to be pretty decent. Kerrigan, Gomes, Hurt, Hankerson, Jenkins, Neild - dont see your reasoning. Then the free agent grabs in Cofield and Bowen have absolutely helped, plus the drafting of Perry Riley the year before.(he is going to be a stud)

I dont think (in my opinion) this is a make and break year for Shanahan. It is his 3rd year, and there will be some improvement, hopefully a lot of improvement from the standpoint of wins and losses that is. As far as competing on the field, we were competative all year last year. Played down to the opponent, up to the opponent, so its just a matter of getting to a consistant level of play. WE are headed in the right direction.

skinsfaninok · 02-18-2012, 08:12 AM

I disagree with shanny losing his touch but I also disagree that he's safe with another 5 or 6 win season. IMO if we don't win at least 8 games then he should be gone.. Mike shanahan is a guy that u put trust in to be competitive and win games he's not Jim Zorn., heck even he won 8 games one year.

44Deezel · 02-18-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There are 2 question marks with Peyton Manning- is he healthy and how will he play after a year away from football? The first question is the easily most important.

The thing I don't get is - why are there no question marks being discussed with RGIII? Why is he the one qb that no one questions- with his talent and skill?

I would start off with - what usually makes a qb great in the nfl? And does he possess or have the likely potential to attain those qualities?

I'm not saying that he doesn't - I'm just saying I don't know. I'm just wondering what has a bunch of people convinced so early.

I hear you. I look at the last 10 QBs to win the Super Bowl and wonder if RGIII has similar traits. Maybe, but it's not glaringly obvious to me. I don't get the "lock" sentiment with him. That said, I'd love to have him, but not at an exorbitant cost.

30gut · 02-18-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I hear you. I look at the last 10 QBs to win the Super Bowl and wonder if RGIII has similar traits. Maybe, but it's not glaringly obvious to me. I don't get the "lock" sentiment with him. That said, I'd love to have him, but not at an exorbitant cost.

I think Griffin's physical profile and skill set are strikingly similar to Aaron Rodgers.
Similar build (almost the exact same build), both excellent runners (Griffin is obviously better), both good throwing on the move outside the pocket, both can evade/elude pressure/sacks, both are excellent deep ball passers, both throw with above average velocity.

I think Griffin's playing style is similar to these Super Bowl winning QBs:
Steve Young
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Roger Staubach
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I disagree with shanny losing his touch but I also disagree that he's safe with another 5 or 6 win season. IMO if we don't win at least 8 games then he should be gone.. Mike shanahan is a guy that u put trust in to be competitive and win games he's not Jim Zorn., heck even he won 8 games one year.

I agree.
I think the only ways the team goes below .500 and Mike Shanahan isn't on the hot seat are:
o draft and play a rookie QB

o sign/trade for a QB that plays well above yet have a losing season despite good QB play

diehardskin2982 · 02-18-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brody81

Peyton Manning Update - 12th Man Rising - A Seattle Seahawks Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more.

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I enjoyed that article. The writer has a little wishful thinking in the idea that Manning won't get signed before Flynn or other free agents. There will be a team that will take a chance on the Manning name\brand.

GridIron26 · 02-18-2012, 09:46 AM

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GridIron26 · 02-18-2012, 09:48 AM

I'm not sure which thread is appropriate for this article, but since Griffin is big part in this article, I thought this one is good spot. I believe McShay made a valid point about not trading up for Griffin -

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“Ultimately, I do think they’re inside that safe zone for where they’re going to be and for the potential of a team wanting to move up to get an elite player,” McShay says. “But also, if you’re sitting there at six, maybe they want to get that elite player. … They did draft very well last year. But even if they don’t get the quarterback, or if they address it in free agency, to me, nailing the draft again this year is going to be huge for not just the short-term, but more importantly, the long-term of this organization. And if they get a good deal to move back, they should do it, or if not, you sit there, you get a Morris Claiborne, who’s a shut-down corner, who can help take their defense to the next level"

McShay: Redskins have options in NFL draft - The Insider - The Washington Post

skinsfan69 · 02-18-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by biffle

I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.

I think the guy needs to put something on film besides pre season games. If NE does that then good for them. No one is taking that bait.

Mechanix544 · 02-18-2012, 01:26 PM

I just talked to a friend of mine who knows a couple people around Redskins park, and he IS saying that if he were a betting man, Kyle Orton will be the starter for the redskins come season start, and that R. Tannehill will be sitting behind him learning the WCO ropes. He didnt know, however, if we planned on trading down, or if we nab him with pick #6, or trade up from the second round to nab him, maybe somewhere in the mid 20's.

*currently banging head into wall repeatedly*

Mattyk · 02-18-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I just talked to a friend of mine who knows a couple people around Redskins park, and he IS saying that if he were a betting man, Kyle Orton will be the starter for the redskins come season start, and that R. Tannehill will be sitting behind him learning the WCO ropes. He didnt know, however, if we planned on trading down, or if we nab him with pick #6, or trade up from the second round to nab him, maybe somewhere in the mid 20's.

*currently banging head into wall repeatedly*

I'd have no problem with that myself.

I'd lean toward the plan being taking BPA at 6, and trading back into the first to take RT.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-18-2012, 02:21 PM

My question is: Does anyone think we will try and trade up to get Luck? What would you offer for him?

GTripp0012 · 02-18-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd have no problem with that myself.

I'd lean toward the plan being taking BPA at 6, and trading back into the first to take RT.

Unless you can get a good price to trade up into the top three, I think this is probably the best way to play it.

I have a bunch of guys ranked ahead of Tannehill who were more accomplished college players, but I'd understand those who prefer what RT does well. His skill set is fairly unique. He doesn't really fit what we currently do, but we could become a Ryan Tannehill offense with very little tweaking of the offense. It would just require drastically different gameplanning with pretty much the same playsheet.

The infrastructure to be a good offense with Tannehill is already in place.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-18-2012, 02:45 PM

My offseason plan A: (offense)

Re-Sign Fred Davis (Franchise W/E)

Sign Ben Grubbs, Dwayne Bowe and possibly Eddie Royal

Send #6 pick, 2nd or 3rd rounder, and 2013 1st rounder to St. Louis or Minnesota

Draft RGIII

Use 4th rounder on Chris Rainey (plays slot and replace Banks)

If you can get Jabar Gaffney for Jeremy Jarmon Maybe Moss is worth a 4th or 5th rounder. (Wishful thinking.)

Use 2nd 4th on ROT

Our opening day offense would be:

QB RGIII
RB Helu
FB Young
WR Bowe
WR Hank
WR Gaffney
WR Royal
TE Davis
TE Cooley
LT Williams
LG Grubbs
C Lichtensteiger/Montgomery
RG Chester
RT Brown/Smith/Rookie

I can live with that.

skinsfaninok · 02-18-2012, 03:18 PM

Right now I'd want PM, RGIII, Luck, Flynn all ahead of orton

View Poll Results: If you had to choose between the two...
Sign Peyton Manning	43	32.82%
Trade up for RGIII	88	67.18%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

02-18-2012, 06:48 AM	#991
Brody81 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 260	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice Peyton Manning Update - 12th Man Rising - A Seattle Seahawks Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. Good Read...

02-18-2012, 08:12 AM	#993
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,982	I disagree with shanny losing his touch but I also disagree that he's safe with another 5 or 6 win season. IMO if we don't win at least 8 games then he should be gone.. Mike shanahan is a guy that u put trust in to be competitive and win games he's not Jim Zorn., heck even he won 8 games one year. __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

02-18-2012, 09:46 AM	#997
GridIron26 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,544	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice deleted. Last edited by GridIron26; 02-18-2012 at 09:48 AM.

02-18-2012, 01:26 PM	#1000
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,043	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I just talked to a friend of mine who knows a couple people around Redskins park, and he IS saying that if he were a betting man, Kyle Orton will be the starter for the redskins come season start, and that R. Tannehill will be sitting behind him learning the WCO ropes. He didnt know, however, if we planned on trading down, or if we nab him with pick #6, or trade up from the second round to nab him, maybe somewhere in the mid 20's. currently banging head into wall repeatedly __________________ Ain't Nothin Like a Good B Western. YEEHAW

02-18-2012, 02:21 PM	#1002
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice My question is: Does anyone think we will try and trade up to get Luck? What would you offer for him? __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

02-18-2012, 02:45 PM	#1004
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice My offseason plan A: (offense) Re-Sign Fred Davis (Franchise W/E) Sign Ben Grubbs, Dwayne Bowe and possibly Eddie Royal Send #6 pick, 2nd or 3rd rounder, and 2013 1st rounder to St. Louis or Minnesota Draft RGIII Use 4th rounder on Chris Rainey (plays slot and replace Banks) If you can get Jabar Gaffney for Jeremy Jarmon Maybe Moss is worth a 4th or 5th rounder. (Wishful thinking.) Use 2nd 4th on ROT Our opening day offense would be: QB RGIII RB Helu FB Young WR Bowe WR Hank WR Gaffney WR Royal TE Davis TE Cooley LT Williams LG Grubbs C Lichtensteiger/Montgomery RG Chester RT Brown/Smith/Rookie I can live with that. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

02-18-2012, 03:18 PM	#1005
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,982	Right now I'd want PM, RGIII, Luck, Flynn all ahead of orton __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

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