Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

EARTHQUAKE2689

You wanna blame anyone for these arguments and threads: Matt Barkley.

If not for him it would be a guarantee that we would have either him or RGIII and wouldn't have to worry about trades. Now there's a guy I hope busts.

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SBXVII

Wow. Just wow.

30gut

Peyton Manning.

I love Robert Griffin as a prospect but for me the difference between drafting him @6 as opposed to giving up the amount of resources Tandler suggests (2 firsts, a second and possibly more) is a deal breaker for me.

With Griffin the gamble is the same as with any rookie QB where historically the success rate is right around 50/50 its even lower when using the 'franchise' QB or 'elite' QB label as the measure of success.

The gamble with Peyton Manning is much lower.
Its not a question of whether or not he'll 'become' a franchise or elite QB, he already has proven that he is elite.
The only question about Peyton is a health question.
I guess for me it boils down to the probablity of Peyton Manning being healthy vs probability of a rookie QB reaching 'franchise' or 'elite' status.

Further the risk of Peyton Manning can be mitigated by signing a journeyman QB and drafting a later round developmental QB.
And Manning reduces the urgency to have a QB of the future ready to play this year.
Peyton Manning buys time to either develop a mid/late round QB over time or to wait a year or a few before drafting the next Luck or Griffin in 2014 or 2015.

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GTripp0012

So this ended up being a pretty good question. Not an obvious answer, despite the run on Griffin responses at the start of the thread.

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EARTHQUAKE2689

Yep. I shock people.

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NC_Skins

You're quite clear about your stance. You are willing to blow the future of a good football team for a mere chance of having a QB, even if the odds are 40% of hitting the mark. I on the other hand am not. Not at this time. Get back to me when we shore up a few holes and add some more depth.

Also, I wasn't trying to be condescending either.

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SirClintonPortis

The day that every football fan realizes that draft picks are just another currency like the dollar or euro will be a decent day for me, barring tragic events. And of course, using them wisely also matters.

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biffle

The real world doesn't work that way. Griffin has virtually nothing in common with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, whether you're looking at backgrounds, education, skillset, production, character or temperments. Not to mention, Griffin will be stepping into a situation that will likely bear little resemblence to what the other 2 walked into.

So, to suggest the former's chances of success decline by some percentage because of the failures of the latter two is really wrongheaded, at absolute best.

mlmdub130

why would manning even want to come here? i don't see him coming here. i could see him ending up on some team that no one woul even imagine like the raiders.

and as for rg3 if he falls to 6 i'd love to see us take him, otherwise fall back and stock up. i think the worst thing shanny can do is make a move that gives up draft picks. if this franchise has changed for real there needs to be patience. i dont think that shanny is sold on rg3, and if he isn't 100% he can't afford to set this team back anymore. i say take a qb in the 2nd and another one later on. i know i'm in the minority but i am totally fine with having another building year. this team has been run into the ground the past decade with draft picks treated like garbage. this past year was a great draft and i would love to see another just llike it. let's be realistic and build this team the right way, you never know what can on the feild during game time. as much as i hate it when people brag about it we did beat the giants this year and the packers last year. it doesn;t mean we were a very good team but it does mean we can wina few tough games while we build the team for the future. httr!

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NC_Skins

Vinny (and Joe Gibbs) treated it like it was monopoly money. :frusty:

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biffle

I refer to my previous statement.

SirClintonPortis

Ah, conditional probability. How I did not expect to see you here. (nerd moment)

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30gut

Where did I suggest Griffin chances of success decline?

I also missed the part of my post where I made any comparison of Griffin to Leaf or Jamarcus?

I'll chalk it up to an honest mistake.

Cheers-

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