Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

diehardskin2982 · 02-18-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by biffle

They kept him as the only back-up for Tom Brady for two years, Hoyer's first two years in the league. Heading into his third year they drafted another QB to be the third stringer. Now they are debating whether to put a 1st or 2nd round tender on Hoyer as an RFA. If you look at that situation and see some kind of indictment of Hoyer's abilites from the Patriots, I would suggest you need to have your brainwaves reset somehow.

LOL...OK
Patriots are not the end all- be all to evaluating talent. If I remember correctly they LOST the Superbowl and haven't one a Superbowl since the whose spy gate thing.

I think MS and BA have made the necessary steps to stregthen/ empower our scouting department. I know they will make the right decision in regards to the roster. I will be very suprised is Hoyer is that decision.

biffle · 02-18-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

LOL...OK
Patriots are not the end all- be all to evaluating talent. If I remember correctly they LOST the Superbowl and haven't one a Superbowl since the whose spy gate thing.

I think MS and BA have made the necessary steps to stregthen/ empower our scouting department. I know they will make the right decision in regards to the roster. I will be very suprised is Hoyer is that decision.

Which has what to do with your rather ridiculous statement that drafting Mallett meant that he "hadn't shown enough" to the Patriots?

GTripp0012 · 02-18-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

It won't be as steep as trading up to 1 or 2

It will probably cost about the same as trading up to two.

But you're going from 39th to 11th (if you're targeting Tannehill, and not longest remaining of Tannehill/Foles/Cousins/Osweiler), it's going to cost you next year's first and probably the 3rd or 4th rounder as well.

But you're also (theoretically) getting an elite NFL talent with the 6th pick, and if you don't think Tannehill is just as good as Jay Cutler was in 2006, you shouldn't be trading to get him in the top half of the first round anyway. It, ultimately, would be more expensive to do it that way than to target RG3, but assuming the 6th overall pick is what you think you are getting, you're improving your team by a lot more in that example.

It would be like if instead of trading up for Mark Sanchez in 2009 and sticking with Kevin Barnes in the third round, we chose to add Malcolm Jenkins and Josh Freeman. Although in both situations, we would have given up the opportunity to draft both Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams.

Dirtbag59 · 02-18-2012, 10:51 PM

I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

GTripp0012 · 02-18-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

Clay Matthews career sacks: 29.5
Brian Orakpo career sacks: 28.5

Who do you want to be your quarterback?

Dirtbag59 · 02-18-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Clay Matthews career sacks: 29.5
Brian Orakpo career sacks: 28.5

Who do you want to be your quarterback?

Tim Tebow...who else?

GTripp0012 · 02-18-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Tim Tebow...who else?

Just wait a year.

diehardskin2982 · 02-18-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by biffle

Which has what to do with your rather ridiculous statement that drafting Mallett meant that he "hadn't shown enough" to the Patriots?

At the end of the day having Hoyer on the roster didn't stop them from drafting Mallett. I'll eat my words when Hoyer is the next Aaron Rogers and in a Redskins uniform. I'm not going to hold my breath

biffle · 02-18-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

At the end of the day having Hoyer on the roster didn't stop them from drafting Mallett. I'll eat my words when Hoyer is the next Aaron Rogers and in a Redskins uniform. I'm not going to hold my breath

So, you made a stupid comment, and when confronted with the facts, you tried misdirection and nonsense rather than admit how wrong your comment was. How wonderful.

Dirtbag59 · 02-18-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just wait a year.

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

diehardskin2982 · 02-18-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by biffle

So, you made a stupid comment, and when confronted with the facts, you tried misdirection and nonsense rather than admit how wrong your comment was. How wonderful.

What facts?

That Hoyer has been in the league for 3 years thrown 43 passes for 286 yards and 1 touchdown. That only goes to further prove my point.

Dude are you his cousin?

Dirtbag59 · 02-18-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

It's all hypothetical. No one knows how high Tannehill will go. If the estimations are correct and he's valued as a mid-first round pick, then it would cost relatively less to pull off that trade than one at the top of the draft.

He will either go to Seattle or he will fall hard.

biffle · 02-18-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

What facts?

That Hoyer has been in the league for 3 years thrown 43 passes for 286 yards and 1 touchdown. That only goes to further prove my point.

Dude are you his cousin?

Jesus dude, give it up. The only thing more idiotic than your original "point" is the idiotic way you've tried to defend it.

diehardskin2982 · 02-18-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

I couldn't agree more! I believe that RGIII will have the same effect on our rushing offense.

biffle · 02-18-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

He will either go to Seattle or he will fall hard.

Not necessarily. Another team could trade up for him. Denver or Cleveland (with their second 1st) could be in the market for him.

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Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,955	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here. Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl. And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar? I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President Last edited by Dirtbag59; 02-18-2012 at 10:52 PM.

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