Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

GTripp0012 · 02-18-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

I understand that Griffin is going to go a lot higher in the draft, but I have a hard time rectifying that with not wanting to grab a Jason Campbell or Patrick Ramsey level prospect, because while Griffin is exciting and everything and a Heisman winner, Campbell and Ramsey were really highly regarded as well coming out. I mean, not Andrew Luck regarded (I was anticipating you responding with Luck), but nothing that's being said about Griffin's upside now hasn't been said about past QB prospects drafted by the Redskins in the first round. I promise you that the need to change the QB every year is not for lack of trying to find a long term solution.

I think the Griffin hype is very justified, and he adds the element of the highlight reel play (which Campbell and Ramsey were never going to give you), but at the end of the day, drafting a first round quarterback who isn't the consensus no. 1 QB in the draft is the same road the Redskins have been on.

A proposition to give up multiple drafts and get Andrew Luck? Now that would be a change in organizational philosophy from the past -- aside from being nearly impossible to execute.

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Out of curiosity, do you think the Redskins would be better off today if they had beaten the Bears' price to get Cutler? No Orakpo, no Trent Williams, maybe no Kerrigan, and you'd have a quarterback who is somewhere between the tenth and twentieth best player at his profession in the world. But on the plus side, you would have saved the picks that went into the McNabb trade, and might have made the postseason in 2010? Although that last part might be wishful thinking.

diehardskin2982 · 02-18-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by biffle

Jesus dude, give it up. The only thing more idiotic than your original "point" is the idiotic way you've tried to defend it.

You sound real bitter bro... I have not insulted your intelligence or done anything more than ask you to back your theory on Hoyer. Other than he plays for the Patriots there is no arguement as to why we should aquire him. I DO NOT want the Redskins to get caught in the same trap as the Chiefs. I want us to go in different direction either with PM or RGIII.

Respect that and move on. Stop being a Troll.

biffle · 02-18-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

You sound real bitter bro... I have not insulted your intelligence or done anything more than ask you to back your theory on Hoyer. Other than he plays for the Patriots there is no arguement as to why we should aquire him. I DO NOT want the Redskins to get caught in the same trap as the Chiefs. I want us to go in different direction either with PM or RGIII.

Respect that and move on. Stop being a Troll.

Not bitter and not a troll.

You made the ridiculous "point" about Mallett being drafted proving something about Hoyer's ability. When it's pointed out that they felt enough of him to keep him as the only back-up to Brady for two years and only drafted Mallett to replace him after he's a FA, you then question the Pats' competence because they lost SB and haven't won one in 7 years. Not only is that a pathetic argument, but it completely contradicts the "logic" of the first one, as that was entirely based on the Patriots' judgement meaning something. Since then, you've thrown out several comments that have absolutely nothing to do with what you started and then even fell back into "well, they drafted Mallett" again.

Don't post anything if you can't handle people pointing out when you're wrong. And if you're going to refuse to admit it and then fling out misdirection and contradictory statements to deflect from it, you better be able to deal with people questioning you, if not your intelligence itself.

Pigskins · 02-18-2012, 11:56 PM

Guys relax, in a honesty it doesn't matter what we want, MS will get the Qb he wants and as skins fans we will rally and love the decision regardless

Dirtbag59 · 02-19-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pigskins

Guys relax, in a honesty it doesn't matter what we want, MS will get the Qb he wants and as skins fans we will rally and love the decision regardless

We did that last year. The result was Rex Grossman and John Beck. We also did it the year before. The result was Donovan McNabb.

Dirtbag59 · 02-19-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by biffle

Not necessarily. Another team could trade up for him. Denver or Cleveland (with their second 1st) could be in the market for him.

Good point. I forgot Cleveland at 22.

biffle · 02-19-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Good point. I forgot Cleveland at 22.

Depending on what they do with their first choice, of course.

Chief X_Phackter · 02-19-2012, 12:52 AM

How long is this thread going to go, as if these two were the only two options out there. Surprise, surprise...something different is going to happen and we will all be delighted about it come week 10 of the next season...

Pigskins · 02-19-2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

We did that last year. The result was Rex Grossman and John Beck. We also did it the year before. The result was Donovan McNabb.

Your still here aren't you?

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-19-2012, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

That's what I've been imagining too.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-19-2012, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Tim Tebow...who else?

Not since The Cosby Show have a doctor and a lawyer been so in sync with each other.

30gut · 02-19-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

but at the end of the day, drafting a first round quarterback who isn't the consensus no. 1 QB in the draft is the same road the Redskins have been on.

I wonder how often the consensus top QB actually proves to be the top QB? 50%?
I think skill set of QB we drafted wasn't the issue holding this team back as much as the team itself was the issue.
I can't imagine drafting Aaron Rodgers would have made a meaningful difference here then Jason Campbell because the Aaron Rodgers that we know was drafted into a good situation with a strong FO with a clear team vision, quality personnel, with a stable offensive minded QB friendly HC and got to sit for a couple/few years and develop in that system.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Out of curiosity, do you think the Redskins would be better off today if they had beaten the Bears' price to get Cutler?

Nope.
Like you mention the team itself would actually be worse.
No Orkapo, no Trent Williams and we can't imagine that Synder through Vinny C as his proxy would have made suddenly started making sound personnel decisons.

Can you imagine how Cutler would have reacted amidst the nightmare that was the personnel, FO and coaching staff management when Campbell was here?

I think the perception of Cutler would be even worse now then it is already.

btw-I think Culter is one of the most talented QBs in the NFL but going to Chicago has lowered his statistical progression and many fans think he's a lesser QB because of it.
But over the past 2 years (I watch a lot of Bears football) Cutler has been playing some darn good football behind an OL that takes an almost stupid amount of toughness to play behind.

diehardskin2982 · 02-19-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by biffle

Not bitter and not a troll.
Don't post anything if you can't handle people pointing out when you're wrong. And if you're going to refuse to admit it and then fling out misdirection and contradictory statements to deflect from it, you better be able to deal with people questioning you, if not your intelligence itself.

You continue with the insulting statements about my intelligence which is disrespectfull and uncalled for.

My comments aren't stupid or invalid just because you don't agree with them. I made a statement and I standby it. Hoyer is nothing more than bargaining chip imo. The Patriots are smart enough to create a percieved value by saying that they may (yet to be seen if they do it) give him a high tender as a RFA. The fact of the matter is no one has NFL tape on this guy except the Patriots (other than preseason gametape against vanilla defenses). By giving the perception that the Patriots want to keep him it my garner for them trade value from some team who values the Patriots front office more than their own. I hope the Redskins aren't that team. Also having Mallett on the roster has made him expendible which is a valid arguement. He wasn't so good that they said we pass on taking Mallett. As a RFA the Patriots can keep him if they so choose. All they have to do is put a tender on him. It's not like UFA where if they want to keep him they better franchise him or sign him long term.

Im done with this. I continue to ask you to validate why his value should be a 3rd and 4th rounder or any pick for that matter from us. The fact that he is on the Patriots roster and he played behind Tom Brady is not enough for me to give up a McNabb type deal to get him. The Patriots are going to possibly find some sucker to take him creating a pick out of an undrafted, untested player, hopefullly it's not from the team in DC.

mooby · 02-19-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

Mmm. This.

Mechanix544 · 02-19-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Your opinion. Until I see something to change my mind I stand by my statement of him and trading two picks to get him a joke.

Completely agree.

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Pigskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 522	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice Guys relax, in a honesty it doesn't matter what we want, MS will get the Qb he wants and as skins fans we will rally and love the decision regardless

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Chief X_Phackter Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 928	Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice How long is this thread going to go, as if these two were the only two options out there. Surprise, surprise...something different is going to happen and we will all be delighted about it come week 10 of the next season...

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