DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction

Paintrain · 02-13-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Non bizarre play calling with people way out of position for starters.
His age makes me nervous also.
Notice that the Texans finally make the playoffs after he leaves.
I also dont like the father and son thing.
Makes it harder for Mike to fire him if hes blowing it.
His belief in Grossman was total fail.

Help me out with 'non bizarre play calling' because 3 of your 6 reasons have more to do with his birth certificate than his coaching ability. So you're saying if his name was Kyle Anderson and he was 54 yrs old you would have less of a problem with him as a coach? The Texans thing has zero to do with him and everything to do with the defense.

I agree that the belief that Grossman would reverse his turnover tendencies was a major mistake but again, what does that have to do with his ability as a play caller?

Alvin Walton · 02-13-2012, 01:07 PM

Using Cooley as a fullback.....twice in the same set of downs is what I would call bizarre.
I would say Kyle got better at the end of the season but most games I watched I was saying WTF repeatedly at the play calling.

Washington Redskins vs. Dallas Cowboys - Box Score - September 26, 2011 - ESPN

Lotus · 02-13-2012, 01:25 PM

Kyle's bizarre play calling: a reverse to open the game

Kyle's problematic play calling: not sticking with the run enough to make defenses honest

Alvin Walton · 02-13-2012, 01:38 PM

Kyle has never coached a team that has made it to the playoffs.
He's still a pup.
I'd rather have someone with a little more gristle on his bones.

Paintrain · 02-13-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Kyle's bizarre play calling: a reverse to open the game

Kyle's problematic play calling: not sticking with the run enough to make defenses honest

I'll agree with you on the early reverses, those are a little odd. I think the run game thing has more to do with talent/production than it does preference. Our YPC was awful until later in the season. Hightower was under 3.9 YPC, Helu wasn't much better early on. Torrain was abysmal. As the season went on and they found different ways to get Helu/Royster the ball (inside and outside pitches) the YPC increased.

He does get pass happy but with better talent I think that will be a strength of our offense rather than a cause for concern.

Paintrain · 02-13-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Kyle has never coached a team that has made it to the playoffs.
He's still a pup.
I'd rather have someone with a little more gristle on his bones.

So again, you'd rather have someone with a different birth certificate. What does that have to do with his ability to coach effectively?

Alvin Walton · 02-13-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by paintrain

so again, you'd rather have someone with a different birth certificate. What does that have to do with his ability to coach effectively?

experience

Ruhskins · 02-13-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

experience[/i]

Mike Shanahan has experience, and he oversees his son. Honestly, I feel that his age has nothing to do with it, and if MS is letting his son run a muck, then it is also on MS.

Personally, my beef with Kyle was that he called the game as though he still had Schaub and Johnson, instead of Grossmand and Gafney. I also hated that he never stuck with the run early on in the season. I think his gamecalling improved later in the season, when it was too late.

Our team needs talent and needs leadership from their head coach. I think Kyle learned through the season and I hope with improved talent he can do what he did in Houston. I really don't see the advantage of getting rid of him and bringing in a new play caller.

Alvin Walton · 02-13-2012, 02:28 PM

So you basically said Kyle doesn't need experience because his dad has it.
Thats a setback for us.
We've been losing for long enough.
The future is now.......

TexSkins · 02-13-2012, 02:33 PM

As a Texans fan, I've seen what Kyle can do with a talented offense. The dude started with a lazy ass in McNabb & Grossman/Beck. Give him some weapons and he will produce. The Skins rush offense was stunted since defenses put 8 in the box.

redskin29633 · 02-13-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Meh.....the blog has the same old same old stuff. I breezed thru it. Basically the same angst thats been re hashed here all year.

Mike Shanahan does not have my full support right now because he has screwed the pooch in the QB situation since he got here.
He needs to hit a home run this year or I'm calling for his head.
He needs to work with Kyle more also (or replace him).
I dont trust Kyles play calling for squat.

My response to this post is partly an answer and partly question. I beleive that the point on the QB position is somewhat valid and relates in part to the fact that Mike gave Kyle too much leash on recommending/selecting a QB.

On the other hand, I do not blame MS at all for the McNabb mess. As I have said before, I am not an insider like some of you guys obviously are, but my reading of the McNabb situation would tend to point blame directly at Snyder. I recall reading a story that indicated Snyder was parading McNabb around town and introducing him as Redskin QB even before he signed a contract. I think that whole deal was a Snyder ego trip; he lapsed into Jerry Jones mode on that signing.

And so, that's my question. Is my perception of the McNabb mess accurate?

Otherwise, I think the Shanaclan has done a good job with the Redskins rebuild. Certainly, I would not rate their work as great, and there is room for improvement, but on the whole, they seem to have the Redskins moving in a positive direction. While its time to show some improvement, I am generally satisfied with the team's draft and general direction.

Ruhskins · 02-13-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

So you basically said Kyle doesn't need experience because his dad has it.
Thats a setback for us.
We've been losing for long enough.
The future is now.......

I am saying that if Kyle's "inexperience" is a problem, I think MS can step in and help out. I don't think experience is a problem with Kyle, and I don't think it has been a setback.

What has been a setback is wasting picks on a washed up QB, not securing a QB of the future, pin your second season on the arm of two guys who are backups at best, going into a d*ck swinging contest with a guy that should've been cut (AH) in the first place, not adjusting your playcalling to the talent you have, building the offense from the get go instead of focusing on a defense, etc., etc., etc.

DC Tailgate · 02-13-2012, 03:07 PM

My mistake guys (and possible gals?), didn't know about the blog posting rule. Really wasn't trying to 'promote' my blog, just wanted some good feedback, which I have gotten for the most part. Figured it would have been safer to post a Redskins blog verses something with the Nationals.

I'll stick a link in the signature - and believe me, I'll be around

skinsguy · 02-13-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

When dealing with QBs, it's always better to draft your own. Sometimes giving up draft choices in order to attain the QB you need is always the best way to go. At the 2004 draft, the NYG gave the San Diego Chargers a boat load of draft choices in order to land Eli Manning. Two Super Bowl championships later, I'd say that deal worked out pretty well for the Giants.

If the Redskins want to be successful, then they have to do what's best for the organization. I doubt if RG3 will be a bust. He'll undergo hardship in the NFL as a rookie, but he'll be fine once the game slows down for him.

As far as Kyle Orton, he's certainly better than Grossman and Beck. But this organization needs a young QB, not another free agent signed.

On the other hand, The Saints won a Super Bowl with Drew Brees, The Redskins won a Super Bowl with Joe Theismann and Doug Williams, The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer (although he's probably a bad example), and many have at least brought their new team deep in the playoffs. The point with drafting Manning isn't that he would be the only option. The team WOULD STILL draft a quarterback, they would just not have to throw him into the fire from the start...which more times than not, is the best way to go.

SmootSmack · 02-13-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DC Tailgate

My mistake guys (and possible gals?), didn't know about the blog posting rule. Really wasn't trying to 'promote' my blog, just wanted some good feedback, which I have gotten for the most part. Figured it would have been safer to post a Redskins blog verses something with the Nationals.

I'll stick a link in the signature - and believe me, I'll be around

No worries.

02-13-2012, 01:07 PM	#32
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,861	Re: DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction Using Cooley as a fullback.....twice in the same set of downs is what I would call bizarre. I would say Kyle got better at the end of the season but most games I watched I was saying WTF repeatedly at the play calling. Washington Redskins vs. Dallas Cowboys - Box Score - September 26, 2011 - ESPN __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

02-13-2012, 01:25 PM	#33
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,906	Re: DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction Kyle's bizarre play calling: a reverse to open the game Kyle's problematic play calling: not sticking with the run enough to make defenses honest __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

02-13-2012, 01:38 PM	#34
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,861	Re: DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction Kyle has never coached a team that has made it to the playoffs. He's still a pup. I'd rather have someone with a little more gristle on his bones. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

02-13-2012, 02:28 PM	#39
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,861	Re: DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction So you basically said Kyle doesn't need experience because his dad has it. Thats a setback for us. We've been losing for long enough. The future is now....... __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

02-13-2012, 02:33 PM	#40
TexSkins Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Pipe Creek, Texas Posts: 48	Re: DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction As a Texans fan, I've seen what Kyle can do with a talented offense. The dude started with a lazy ass in McNabb & Grossman/Beck. Give him some weapons and he will produce. The Skins rush offense was stunted since defenses put 8 in the box.

02-13-2012, 03:07 PM	#43
DC Tailgate Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: District of Columbia Posts: 110	Re: DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction My mistake guys (and possible gals?), didn't know about the blog posting rule. Really wasn't trying to 'promote' my blog, just wanted some good feedback, which I have gotten for the most part. Figured it would have been safer to post a Redskins blog verses something with the Nationals. I'll stick a link in the signature - and believe me, I'll be around

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