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Old 02-17-2012, 02:33 PM   #31
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:44 PM   #32
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68 more days till the draft. what's the over/under on new threads about the qb position? I put it at 66.
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68 more days till the draft. what's the over/under on new threads about the qb position? I put it at 66.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:44 PM   #34
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Our current HC, who is also our personnel guy, put his reputation on the line with Rex "thumbs" Grossman and John "Dump off" Beck. SMFH

Before you say it........Please do not tell me you believe Allen calls the shots?
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People make too big a deal out of Shanny's words and not his actions. He sacrificed nearly nothing for short term situations in Rex and Beck.
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If anyone actually followed this logic, then the current regime of the Lions should have never drafted Stafford.
Not to mention in 2004 when the Chargers were set to take Rivers they were coming off Drew Brees, who at the time they believed to be a bust, and Ryan Leaf, the poster boy for draft busts.
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I do believe sooner or later the Redskins will draft their own QB and he will be the face of the franchise for a long, long time. The Redskins haven't had success with QBs because they weren't evaluated thoroughly enough before they were selected. Who is the best QB we've had since the 1991 season? Brad Johnson, I would assume. In 2005 Joe Gibbs put all of his eggs in one basket concerning Jason Campbell when he should have taken Aaron Rodgers. It's a mystery as to why drafted quarterbacks haven't amounted to much for this franchise since the end of Gibbs I all the way up to this point.

I do firmly believe, that Rg3 will be the exception to that.

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Our current HC, who is also our personnel guy, put his reputation on the line with Rex "thumbs" Grossman and John "Dump off" Beck. SMFH

Before you say it........Please do not tell me you believe Allen calls the shots?
Allen does have some say in who gets hired. Galloway, Bidwell, and Hilliard all have connections with him.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:55 PM   #39
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This is just the nature of personnel acquisition. You will draft more failures than studs; it's just that you have a few successes to balance that out. Nobody cares about the other 8 duds in the Packers' 2005 draft because of Rodgers and the two other guys who made it for them. You need to have a great scouting department and have a scrappy and "economic" mind to milk the gains from this game.
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Who is the best QB we've had since the 1991 season? Brad Johnson, I would assume.
I would say Trent Green and they were stupid to let him walk, Johnson sucked compared to what Green accomplished, the knee injury he sustained basically screwed him in St. Louis and made Warner the starter.
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I would say Trent Green and they were stupid to let him walk, Johnson sucked compared to what Green accomplished, the knee injury he sustained basically screwed him in St. Louis and made Warner the starter.
They both had nice careers and were let go too early by the Skins.

Brad won a SB.
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The past is irrelevant. Can't worry about past failures, all that matters is hitting on one in this draft.
The point I was making is the Redskins over the years have won with free agent quarterbacks rather than draft the so called franchise quarterback. The last great Redskins quarterback to be drafted was Mark Rypien who lead us to a Super Bowl victory. Why is it that during our numerous coaching changes we never have found the so called franchise QB. We have had really bad teams in the past 20 years which means we did have high picks. Is this franchise capable of selecting our quarterback in this years draft? I like Mike Shanahan as our coach and he will need time to make this team a winner. So lets not blame Mike for our failures in drafting a franchise quraterback, this is been going on way to long.
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Completely agree! What does 20 years ago have to do with how this coaching administration evaluates talent?
I was not blaming this coaching staff for our past failures in drafting a franchise quarterback, I was just pointed out that of all the coaching staffs we have had over the years we have never had a franchise quarterback drafted unless you count Sammy Baugh. I think most of us were not watching the Redskins at that tiime. The Redskins history shows they have more often then not picked up or traded for a veteran quarteback. We have had some success doing this but the modern day era we do need to be able to draft and groom our on young QB. I think another reason we have not drafted a franchise QB in the last 10 years is our unwilliness to start over and rebuild. Remember our old way of business was to use a quick fix approach. You know like bring in Donovan McNabb or Mark Brunell. Lets hope our history can change this years draft if we can get RGIII.
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The point I was making is the Redskins over the years have won with free agent quarterbacks rather than draft the so called franchise quarterback. The last great Redskins quarterback to be drafted was Mark Rypien who lead us to a Super Bowl victory. Why is it that during our numerous coaching changes we never have found the so called franchise QB. We have had really bad teams in the past 20 years which means we did have high picks. Is this franchise capable of selecting our quarterback in this years draft? I like Mike Shanahan as our coach and he will need time to make this team a winner. So lets not blame Mike for our failures in drafting a franchise quraterback, this is been going on way to long.
That's right.

Look, it doesn't do a lot of good to look back at the past and let it shape the future. But there is a lesson in this thread, and that lesson was that if you think the Redskins drafting a quarterback in the first round and hoping that guy would make all their other personnel decisions look good would represent the new way of doing stuff, that's not really the case. It would be more like the same thing the Redskins have been doing since 1994.

1st round QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991: 3
1st round QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991: 1
1st round QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991: 1

Number of QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 2
Number of QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4
Number of QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4

Contrary to popular belief, the teams with the best quarterback play in the NFL do not typically invest the most draft value into quarterbacks. If they dabble in the first round, they typically do it only once.
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1st round QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991: 3
1st round QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991: 1
1st round QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991: 1

Number of QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 2
Number of QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4
Number of QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4

Contrary to popular belief, the teams with the best quarterback play in the NFL do not typically invest the most draft value into quarterbacks. If they dabble in the first round, they typically do it only once.
Good points.

Imo a bad franchise cannot produce a 'franchise' QB, I don't care how good the prospect.
There are certain elements that need to be in place from an organizational stand point to support the development and success of a young QB into a 'franchise' QB i.e. personnel (LT, RB, OL, WR, defense) coaching (someone that knows QBs and knows how to install an NFL passing game) front office (someone that has a clear vision and plan towards the future).
Its why the same QB can look like terrible with one team yet look like a HOFer with another team.

I think its also important that to sometimes look at the individual teams that make up the group when it comes to QB success.

The prevailing logic based on the stats is that the higher you draft a QB the better the odds of success.

But if you look at the good franchises and the team with bona fide or even perceived QB 'guru' they tend to have success with their QBs regardless of how or where they acquire them and most were acquired outside the top 10 picks in the 1st round.

I'm doing the list below from memory:

Walsh never drafted a QB in the 1st round
Holmgren: has produced more starting caliber QBs then most franchises and he's never drafted a QB in the 1st round
Bellichick IIRC no 1st round QB, produced a starting QB from a 7th round pick
Andy Reid: has drafted the highest but also produced Kolb a 2nd rounder into a starter and turned Vick into a top 10 passer
Sean Peyton: Tony Romo UDFA and Drew Brees via FA
McCarthy: late 1st round and now Matt Flynn
Shananhan: has only drafted 1 Cutler at 11 (IIRC) and produced pro-bowlers with 3rd round Greise and FA Plummer
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