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Old 02-21-2012, 10:37 AM   #166
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If that happens the Rams will be able to draft a super bowl roster in the next two drafts.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:04 AM   #167
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I would by that argument if A) Griffin played like Cam which he doesn't and B) Griffin was a run first QB in college like Cam was which he wasn't. He's a pocket passer who has Mike Vick type speed and all of a sudden he's a scrambling QB. How many big hits did he take on in college? Does he take tackles head on like Cam and Luck do? At 6'2" 220lbs he isn't small but he's also not stupid. I'm sure he knows how and when to slide.
Don't know but all it takes it one which he took a knee injury for. If I'm not mistaken.
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After the combine and workout the colts will take RGIII anyone wanna take me up on it?
This is what I'm thinking and banking on. RGIII is getting so much hype and it's all in regards to his mobility. I'm betting the coaching staff there will want to pick him up because he will (as everyone else believes) buy time with his legs or get the first down himself. I mention this because it helps while the rest of the players are still learning the offense, ie; WR routes, OL blocking schemes.

The next big question is would Luck fall to number 6? Personally I feel Luck would have a better chance of making it to #6 vs. RGIII and it's not because I think RGIII is a better QB, it's because Luck is an unknown and offers not much of a different option for those other teams... Rams- Bradford, Vikes- Ponder, Browns- McCoy, all pocket passers. Luck might be more accurate or might be able to throw farther but otherwise the QB they have already knows the system and they would be better off keeping their QB who knows their system and build around him. RGIII is different because he has his legs to extend a play which is not what those teams have right now.
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RGIII play style is more like a faster Steve Young IMO
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What's your wager? If the Colts take RGIII I guarantee Andrew Luck is a Washington Redskin.
I agree. Based off of what I said above though. I also feel Luck would be better in our system then RGIII. I love the idea of RGIII and his mobility but I don't see our coaching staff changing our system to RGIII's abilities. Basically we would be sitting back as fans screaming for him to run the whole time we are watching him getting sacked. <- just my feeling.

Our coaching staff I think would prefer a pocket passer who will go through all his progressions and can feel the pressure and step aside to elude it. Why I think Beck was sitting in the pocket more then Grossman and hardly ran for first downs himself.
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This is what I'm thinking and banking on. RGIII is getting so much hype and it's all in regards to his mobility. I'm betting the coaching staff there will want to pick him up because he will (as everyone else believes) buy time with his legs or get the first down himself. I mention this because it helps while the rest of the players are still learning the offense, ie; WR routes, OL blocking schemes.

The next big question is would Luck fall to number 6? Personally I feel Luck would have a better chance of making it to #6 vs. RGIII and it's not because I think RGIII is a better QB, it's because Luck is an unknown and offers not much of a different option for those other teams... Rams- Bradford, Vikes- Ponder, Browns- McCoy, all pocket passers. Luck might be more accurate or might be able to throw farther but otherwise the QB they have already knows the system and they would be better off keeping their QB who knows their system and build around him. RGIII is different because he has his legs to extend a play which is not what those teams have right now.
Luck is an unknown?
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I doubt it. Luck has a higher floor and is much less of an injury risk which after a year without Peyton is a huge selling point for the Colts. The question isn't weather RGIII is going to get injured but rather when.

I personally like Griffin more but if I was picking for the Colts I would take Luck. Luck is much more equipped to run a pro style offense in terms of routes and reading coverage out of a traditional NFL offense. He also has just as strong an arm as Griffin and while he's no where near the scrambler that Griffin is he can definitely move and pick up yards with his feet as well as create second chance opportunities.

There is no doubt that Baylor's offense is gimmicky and probably has some odd reads and adjustments which will factor against Griffin.

And theres no doubt Griffin can learn these things but with Luck it is less likely to be an issue.

I will say this though. Griffin is more likely to win rookie of the year then Luck even though Luck will be the better passer right out of the gate.

From what I keep reading RGIII offense was the spread and yes it was gimmicky. Also he was not asked to read the defense and change the play at the LOS. All he was asked to do was call the play and run it and from what I'm reading if his first option was not available he often ran for the yards himself.
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NFL Teams have been watching Luck since he came to Stanford.
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RGIII play style is more like a faster Steve Young IMO
I don't know why I never liked Steve Young. Montana yes, Young no. I guess it was I thought of him as an idiot (Elway type) and would trip over his own feet when scrambling. I'm not an RGIII but definitely don't like the comparison.
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We need to prepare ourselves for the possibility that we may not land our Franchise QB this season.

First, there will be a number of other teams who will be trying just as hard as we will be to land a Franchise QB. We may simply be outmaneuvered by a couple of other teams.

Peyton Manning is going somewhere and, with the stage of rebuilding we're currently in, I don't think it will be here. He's almost certainly going to sign where nearly all of the pieces are already in place for him to have a good shot at ending his career with a glorious Super Bowl winning season. That seems to me to be what the great Peyton Manning would want to do. He won't be going anywhere just to get a paycheck. BTW, we may all be surprised by the team he picks. The Jets? The Ravens? The Texans?

Secondly, I believe that RGIII will make a spectacular impression at the NFL Combine, on and off the field. Teams, even some unexpected teams, will be trying to top one another's offers to St. Louis to move up to #2 in the draft. As I stated here before, if Cleveland wants RGIII bad enough, they'll get him because having the #4 pick and the #22 pick sets up a situation that is just about perfect for St. Louis to have a remarkable draft if they trade the #2 pick to Cleveland.

And, of course, Andrew Luck will be picked either #1 or #2.

That's it folks! You now have the complete list of potential Franchise QB's projected to be available in 2012.

So what should we do?

1. Load up as much as we can in FA in anticipation of having fewer draft picks this year if we are fortunate enough to trade for the #2 pick.

2. Sign a mid-level QB in FA who can be either the interim starter or the backup.

3. Do everything possible, even beyond reasonable, to acquire the #2 pick.

4a. If we get the #2 pick, wait to see who Indy takes between Luck and Griffin III and then put in our card one picosecond later for the other one.

4b. If we don't get the #2 pick, then proceed with the draft in normal fashion, targeting a good young QB in the early rounds.

The plan seems rather simple to me but, as the old saying goes, the devil is in the details.

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Luck is an unknown?

I didn't mean unknown as in he might not have any skills. Honestly I was typing and my mind was going faster then my hands so I'm not even sure why I wrote that.

I think what I was trying to say was his (unknown) is not going to be much different then what the teams I mentioned already have and then I went on to point out that their QB's are pocket passers also. So instead of taking him which will take some time for him to learn the system and for everyone on offense to get on page with each other they would be better served to keep their current QB's who already know their systems and might provide more wins now over taking Luck.

In the long run Luck would probably be better then what they have but with the win now mentality "I" think they would be better served staying put. RGIII offered something Luck didn't and something their current QB's do not and thats mobility.
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This is what I'm thinking and banking on. RGIII is getting so much hype and it's all in regards to his mobility. I'm betting the coaching staff there will want to pick him up because he will (as everyone else believes) buy time with his legs or get the first down himself. I mention this because it helps while the rest of the players are still learning the offense, ie; WR routes, OL blocking schemes.

The next big question is would Luck fall to number 6? Personally I feel Luck would have a better chance of making it to #6 vs. RGIII and it's not because I think RGIII is a better QB, it's because Luck is an unknown and offers not much of a different option for those other teams... Rams- Bradford, Vikes- Ponder, Browns- McCoy, all pocket passers. Luck might be more accurate or might be able to throw farther but otherwise the QB they have already knows the system and they would be better off keeping their QB who knows their system and build around him. RGIII is different because he has his legs to extend a play which is not what those teams have right now.
I think the colts will realize their team is older and the line isn't as good anymore, also it's not like they play in a great division so a dynamic star like rg3 could make a mike vick impact there sooner than a luck could a peyton like impact
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We need to prepare ourselves for the possibility that we may not land our Franchise QB this season.

First, there will be a number of other teams who will be trying just as hard as we will be to land a Franchise QB. We may simply be outmaneuvered by a couple of other teams.

Peyton Manning is going somewhere and, with the stage of rebuilding we're currently in, I don't think it will be here. He's almost certainly going to sign where nearly all of the pieces are already in place for him to have a good shot at ending his career with a glorious Super Bowl winning season. That seems to me to be what the great Peyton Manning would do. He won't be going anywhere just to get a paycheck. BTW, we may all be surprised by the team he picks. The Jets? The Ravens? The Texans?

Secondly, I believe that RGIII will make an unbelieveable impression at the NFL Combine, on and off the field. Teams, even some unexpected teams, will be trying to top one another's offers to St. Louis to move up to #2 in the draft. As I stated here before, if Cleveland wants RGIII bad enough, they'll get him because their situation with the #4 pick and the #22 pick sets up a situation that is just about perfect for St. Louis to have a remarkable draft if they trade the #2 pick to Cleveland.

And, of course, Andrew Luck will be picked either #1 or #2.

That's it folks! You now have the complete list of potential Franchise QB's projected to be available in 2012.

So what should we do?

1. Load up as much as we can in FA in anticipation of having fewer draft picks this year if we are fortunate enough to trade for the #2.
2. Sign a mid-level QB in FA who can be either the interim starter or the backup.
3. Do everything possible, perhaps a little beyond reasonable, to acquire the #2 pick.
4a. If we get the #2 pick, wait to see who Indy takes between Luck and Griffin III and then put in our card one picosecond later for the other one.
4b. If we don't get the #2 pick, then proceed with the draft in the normal fashion, targeting a good young QB in the early rounds.

The plan seems rather simple to me but, as the old saying goes, the devil is in the details.
I think I heard that RG3 won't be throwing at the combine. I think he and Tannehill are just doing measurements and interviews. Maybe the 40 for RG3 but I'm not sure
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