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Old 02-26-2012, 10:49 PM   #211
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i like williams, but i don't see a need for him here. i see a greater need in the secondary
If the Texans don't keep Williams, he'd likely go to a 4-3 team.
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:17 PM   #212
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So what do you suggest the Redskins do at QB until draft day if RG3 is who they really want? Do they do nothing and hope to win this stare down with the Rams? Do they blow 20 mil of this years cap room on Manning when they really want RG3? As of now John Beck is their only QB on the roster. Maybe making the trade now costs an extra pick or two but it also saves a bunch of wasted cap dollars on unneeded contingency plans...
That's a fair point, and I wasn't really trying to advise the Redskins to wait. Rather I was simply pointing out that I don't believe there is any merit to the argument that if the Redskins wait, they won't be able to get RG3 later.

As long as the Browns are as non-committal about moving up as they currently are, the Redskins (not the Rams) control the action. The Rams are not *representing* the RG3 pick. Before we can conclude that RG3 is definitely going to be the second pick, the Rams would have to come out and at least bluff the fact that they are going to take him in that slot if they don't get a deal to their liking. At that point, you'd have to at least honor the fact that you have to go through the Rams to get RG3 because if you don't, he's going to quarterback the Rams next year.

Fisher's not doing that though. He said he's going to deal the pick to highest bidder. Right now, that's the Redskins. So the Redskins, not the Rams, hold the cards right now.

That can change of course. If the Dolphins were to offer their entire 2012 draft plus their 2013 first rounder for the second pick, they'd probably get RG3. But that was never not the case. Any team who wants to double market value can have the pick. They won't have enough talent around him to win, but they can have him.

I'm not saying the Redskins should definitely wait out the Rams here, and I'm not saying they shouldn't make the trade now. I am saying that it's not necessary that they agree to terms at the combine, or they'll never have another chance to get him.

But a lot of things can swing the market in the Redskins favor: Flynn might leave Green Bay, Manning might leave Indy, Kolb could hit the market again, Tannehill might shoot the lights out at his pro day. Kellen Moore might show up to his pro day completely jacked (well, maybe not that last one). The Redskins can call their shot here, and probably should.
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I haven't posted much recently but Id by lying if I said I haven't hit refresh on a 'QB Rumors' thread 5000 times... Id prefer a thread that didn't start with rumor...

With all the talk and hype about RG3 today I actually find myself leaning more towards Manning. I didn't want Mannig before but he seems like he'll be 100% this year. Yes he can't be our QB for 10 years, but if you look at if for 3 years think about how much better we would be. For the time being we would have a QB. Then we would also have at least 3 first round picks, and a 2nd and 3rd (average trade value I've seen for moving up for RG3)

Id LOVE to have RGIII. But RG3 over Manning and possibly 5 other starters...it just seems like too much to move up a few spots...
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It's possible though that the Redskins are just trying to pressure a team into showing their hand the way that some owners will leak information about a potential move to see how it will be received.
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I haven't posted much recently but Id by lying if I said I haven't hit refresh on a 'QB Rumors' thread 5000 times... Id prefer a thread that didn't start with rumor...

With all the talk and hype about RG3 today I actually find myself leaning more towards Manning. I didn't want Mannig before but he seems like he'll be 100% this year. Yes he can't be our QB for 10 years, but if you look at if for 3 years think about how much better we would be. For the time being we would have a QB. Then we would also have at least 3 first round picks, and a 2nd and 3rd (average trade value I've seen for moving up for RG3)

Id LOVE to have RGIII. But RG3 over Manning and possibly 5 other starters...it just seems like too much to move up a few spots...
Yep. Manning for me. I just don't know if this is the guy. I like the kid, good college skills, but to be honest this whole deal is a big gamble and if it fails we are left with out some ammo for talent.

I would prefer to keep our picks and gamble cash on Manning then gamble 2 years of high draft picks.

I would still almost consider trading Rak and drafting a better fit for an OLB in our 3-4 with that pick, despite not moving up to draft RGIII.
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That is one of the best quotes I have seen in a long damn time! Thanks for the laugh!
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Yep. Manning for me. I just don't know if this is the guy. I like the kid, good college skills, but to be honest this whole deal is a big gamble and if it fails we are left with out some ammo for talent.

I would prefer to keep our picks and gamble cash on Manning then gamble 2 years of high draft picks.

I would still almost consider trading Rak and drafting a better fit for an OLB in our 3-4 with that pick, despite not moving up to draft RGIII.
Don't get me wrong, even if we get Manning, if RG3 falls for some reason I'm happy to take him. Or at that point id even be happy getting a ransom from another team looking to move up. Everyone says it won't happen but you never know with the draft.
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Yep. Manning for me. I just don't know if this is the guy. I like the kid, good college skills, but to be honest this whole deal is a big gamble and if it fails we are left with out some ammo for talent.

I would prefer to keep our picks and gamble cash on Manning then gamble 2 years of high draft picks.

I would still almost consider trading Rak and drafting a better fit for an OLB in our 3-4 with that pick, despite not moving up to draft RGIII.
I understand people saying RGIII is a gamble but I think that gamble is only really medical as his playing style is risky. In terms of potential impact he's about as safe as you can get at the QB position.

As I've pointed out before Michael Vick sucked as a QB in Atlanta. Could barely complete over 55% of his passes if that, never threw for over 3,000 yards, didn't study the playbook, etc. And yet the Falcons won games and were almost unstoppable on the ground. And all this with a guy that was basically running around with his head cut off.

Now throw in a 140 IQ, great work ethic, 65%+ accuracy, with Vick's arm and speed in an offense that puts him on the move and reassess the risk.

I admit there is a risk that he might have problem transitioning from a spread style offense to a pro style making traditional reads but even if he fails in that area as bad as Vick did we'll still win games. Downside is we won't win the Super Bowl but almost anything is better then these post 1991 years.

Bottom line, truly athleticly-gifted QB's will always find success in this league. How much success will be determined by how they develop as passers but ironically the floor is higher then that of any traditional pocket passer.
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Don't get me wrong, even if we get Manning, if RG3 falls for some reason I'm happy to take him. Or at that point id even be happy getting a ransom from another team looking to move up. Everyone says it won't happen but you never know with the draft.
Completely agree.

I suppose Dirt, I just don't think we can say he is a sure fire success. I am not at that point. I watched some of his games. He has skill for sure, but will it all translate. Will he get blasted at some point and be done for a few games? Who knows maybe I am wrong.
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I must say, while I think it is nice that RG3 ran such a good 40 time...in a way I don't know how that makes him more valuable. The guy is a QB...yes it is nice to have a fast QB and he'd become a double threat, but he is still a QB. Cam Newton ran a 4.6 40 and he is a double threat. In the end, I want RG3 to be a good passer and decision maker, which I am sure he can do. I just thing that people are too enamored with the 40 in this situation.
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I must say, while I think it is nice that RG3 ran such a good 40 time...in a way I don't know how that makes him more valuable. The guy is a QB...yes it is nice to have a fast QB and he'd become a double threat, but he is still a QB. Cam Newton ran a 4.6 40 and he is a double threat. In the end, I want RG3 to be a good passer and decision maker, which I am sure he can do. I just thing that people are too enamored with the 40 in this situation.
Well it confirms what we already knew, he's a great athlete.

In the end thought it's just your typical combine hype, something to talk about until some real news comes along.
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I think it's also the fact that people were doubting he would run that fast or actually clear 6' 2" that has people talking so much. Couple that with his (by all accounts) stellar interviews and the hype is obvious.

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I must say, while I think it is nice that RG3 ran such a good 40 time...in a way I don't know how that makes him more valuable. The guy is a QB...yes it is nice to have a fast QB and he'd become a double threat, but he is still a QB. Cam Newton ran a 4.6 40 and he is a double threat. In the end, I want RG3 to be a good passer and decision maker, which I am sure he can do. I just thing that people are too enamored with the 40 in this situation.
Well between the tape and his olympic background we already knew he was fast. His 40 time just helped confirmed that.

It's like when you take a test that you're completely prepared for and you feel comfortable with all the questions. You're pretty sure afterwards you got an A you just don't know how high until your teacher gives you the results.
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Well it confirms what we already knew, he's a great athlete.

In the end thought it's just your typical combine hype, something to talk about until some real news comes along.
Good point. I must say, I am more looking forward to seeing his pro day, Luck's too.
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I think it's also the fact that people were doubting he would run that fast or actually clear 6' 2" that has people talking so much. Couple that with his (by all accounts) stellar interviews and the hype is obvious.
yup, he proved he was worth the hype
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