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Old 03-01-2012, 01:00 AM   #751
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I have no idea why Luck's athleticism is such a point of contention for you?
Athleticism is only a part of a QBs evaluation and its not Luck's athleticism that makes him thee elite prospect in this draft class.

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Simply put, there weren't six athletes last year above Luck and we needn't go any further about something that I don't care about -- though if you'd at any point like to make the argument that Terrelle Pryor had a better combine than Andrew Luck, knock yourself out. But you've gone here and completely changed the argument. This is what you need to defend/retract that I took exception to:

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But, I guess I should expect this from you since for whatever reason you cannot admit that Tannehill is a better athlete then Luck.
Your assertion was that I (me) could not admit that Tannehill is a better athlete than Luck, which is an incredibly far fetched assertion given Luck's athleticism established in this thread/on tape/at combine. This was a ridiculous thing of you to say, and you have not retracted this. As far as I know, I am only disagreeing with you 1) writing this, 2) not retracting it.

Your assertion was not, despite your attempts to frame it as such, that I thought my opinion was more important than your opinion. It was not that we have a difference of opinion at all. Your assertion was that I knew Tannehill was a better athlete than Luck, and won't admit that.

You provided the evidence of Tannehill being a very effective Big XII receiver as evidence that I am being hardheaded that I would dare think Luck is the better athlete. This despite 1) you know that I already know Tannehill's history as a Texas A&M football player, and 2) you already know that I think Luck is the better athlete. If you don't think Luck could have been a great college receiver in another career, well, I disagree with that but also don't want to deal with hypotheticals for weak arguments.

Look, I don't know whether you typed the above as a personal attack, or as a declarative sentence, or just to be salty. I don't think it matters much.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:03 AM   #752
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they constantly hate on the redskins on PTI. hopefully soon we will have a good team back and they will have not choice but to give us credit
Hell yeah Bubba, hopefully we get to tell off all the doubters out there soon...the Skins will dominate again and it's gonna be oh so sweet yo
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Simply put, there weren't six athletes last year above Luck and we needn't go any further about something that I don't care about
Ah, of course another declarative statement in lieu of proof.
Newton, Locker, Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, Josh Portis and Terrelle Pryor and Blaine Gabbert all have similar or superior combine numbers to Luck.

I don't care either, but if you're gonna keep throwing it out there that Luck is one of the best athletes in years shouldn't his combine numbers surpass those of last years draft class?
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Ah, of course another declarative statement in lieu of proof.
Newton, Locker, Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, Josh Portis and Terrelle Pryor and Blaine Gabbert all have similar or superior combine numbers to Luck.

I don't care either, but if you're gonna keep throwing it out there that Luck is one of the best athletes in years shouldn't his combine numbers surpass those of last years draft class?
No...but whatever you both are incorrigible.
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Ah, of course another declarative statement in lieu of proof.
Newton, Locker, Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, Josh Portis and Terrelle Pryor and Blaine Gabbert all have similar or superior combine numbers to Luck.

I don't care either, but if you're gonna keep throwing it out there that Luck is one of the best athletes in years shouldn't his combine numbers surpass those of last years draft class?
No, they don't.

I actually don't know how valid the argument is (it certainly seems a lot sounder than your Tannehill argument), but I can tell you that as you have presented it, it is a false statement. At least one of the players in your example has never been to a combine. Which tells me you didn't look any of this up (or you would have known that). Which tells me you don't really know, you just suspect Luck's combine numbers aren't measurably different from some black quarterbacks in last year's draft (plus Jake Locker).

It's possible I missed Locker as a great athlete at quarterback from a past draft. He's kind of forgettable, so you'll have to forgive me.

I did notice you didn't retract the statement you made before. Would it be wrong of me to assume you continue to stand by it?

P.S. if you are trying to convince me that declarative statements have no place on a message board, maybe, I don't know, stop?
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...need I say more?
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Some good footage of cousins for those of you with some spare time on their hands.
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Haven't had time to digest the whole thing but even early you can see flashes of NFL level arm talent that some may doubt:

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...need I say more?
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No, they don't.

I actually don't know how valid the argument is (it certainly seems a lot sounder than your Tannehill argument), but I can tell you that as you have presented it, it is a false statement. At least one of the players in your example has never been to a combine. Which tells me you didn't look any of this up (or you would have known that). Which tells me you don't really know, you just suspect Luck's combine numbers aren't measurably different from some black quarterbacks in last year's draft (plus Jake Locker).

It's possible I missed Locker as a great athlete at quarterback from a past draft. He's kind of forgettable, so you'll have to forgive me.

I did notice you didn't retract the statement you made before. Would it be wrong of me to assume you continue to stand by it?
Its amusing how instead of simply supporting your own assertion with the combine numbers that are readily available you fall back into your argumentative quibbles in lieu of proof.

Naturally you're gonna quibble over a contention I didn't make i.e that Pryor was at the combine; instead of simply proving your won contention.

I'm sure you're well aware that the combine measurables are repeated at the school pro days and NFL try outs but of in our haste to change the subject you probably overlooked that.
You've also added a racial component and a throwaway statement about Locker, still you haven't made one attempt to support your statement.

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Pie? Cheesecake (Don't care what you say it's a pie) Quarterbacks? Robert Griffin III Anything? Why do fast food places give you water in a 4oz cup and fill it 90% with ice?
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Pie? Cheesecake (Don't care what you say it's a pie) Quarterbacks? Robert Griffin III Anything? Why do fast food places give you water in a 4oz cup and fill it 90% with ice?
Beggars can't be choosers?
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Then why charge me a quarter for it but I can get a cup of ice for free? It's that kind of oxymoronic hypocrisy that allowes me to chuck the dine in tray in the garbage when I leave along with 50 napkins that I didn't use. Yessir, I'm a rebel.
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2012 NFL Combine: QB

2011 NFL Combine: QB

----------------------------------40 Yard Vertical Shuttle Cone Broad Jump
Andrew Luck Stanford-----------------------4.67 - 36.0 4.28 6.80 10'4

Blaine Gabbert Missouri----------------------4.62 33.5 4.26 6.84 10'0
Jake Locker Washington--------------------4.59 35 4.12 6.77 10'0
Josh Portis California (PA)------------------4.62 40 4.12 6.84 10'6
Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech-----------------4.51 37.5 4.09 6.78 10'6
Colin Kaepernick Nevada------------------4.53 32.5 4.18 6.85 9'7
Cam Newton Auburn ---------------------4.59 - 35 4.18 6.92 10'6
Christian Ponder Florida State------------4.65 34 4.09 6.85 9'8
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53 pages later i'm still shaking my head .. Orakpo trade .. REALLY .. look I want RGIII just as bad as everyone else but shipping off our YOUNG PRO BOWL BAD ASS LB opposite our other YOUNG PRO BOWL BAD ASS LB doesn't sound like something that makes any sense. Trade the picks ... this year's #1., #2., 2013 #1, 2014#1 .. then figure out a way to get back into the 1st round in 2014.
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