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Old 03-01-2012, 02:15 AM   #766
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Its amusing how instead of simply supporting your own assertion with the combine numbers that are readily available you fall back into your argumentative quibbles in lieu of proof.

Naturally you're gonna quibble over a contention I didn't make i.e that Pryor was at the combine; instead of simply proving your won contention.

I'm sure you're well aware that the combine measurables are repeated at the school pro days and NFL try outs but of in our haste to change the subject you probably overlooked that.
You've also added a racial component and a throwaway statement about Locker, still you haven't made one attempt to support your statement.

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Racial component retracted, on the grounds of being not necessary to the argument.

Here's the big conclusion: the burden of proof to prove your original statement
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But, I guess I should expect this from you since for whatever reason you cannot admit that Tannehill is a better athlete then Luck.
(and the less controversial belief that caused you to make it) remains on you, and it also remains (to this moment) indefensible. I think Luck's combine numbers are an excellent piece of evidence that you've vastly underrated his athleticism in this comparison. You've chosen to focus on how strong the evidence is, rather than the fact that the opinion it's supporting is the important thing.

This is not a court of law, and Andrew Luck is everything I have suggested he is. Your best argument remains "I disagree." Except here's the thing: you don't disagree. You agree with me. You just think you're justified to put Tannehill in his tier. And by your own extension, Kaepernick. Which I don't think can be justified. Maybe it can. But you haven't been particularly convincing despite carrying the burden of proof.

I want to keep this from drifting into an analysis of Andrew Luck's combine results. If you actually are going to make the case that Andrew Luck's combine results suggest he's not one of the better athletes to come out in years at the QB position, I'll probably respond (if I can) to your case. If you're not going to make it, drop the argument.

I will stand on just the skin deep comparison to Newton, and the similarity/superiority to Griffin in the non-running tests. I have little intention of analyzing combine numbers for their greater meaning, and yet, still feel very comfortable concluding that we don't see athletes like Luck at the QB position very often.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:16 AM   #767
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Then why charge me a quarter for it but I can get a cup of ice for free? It's that kind of oxymoronic hypocrisy that allowes me to chuck the dine in tray in the garbage when I leave along with 50 napkins that I didn't use. Yessir, I'm a rebel.
A quarter? That's ridiculous. Once you're a customer, you can make those ice demands.
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2012 NFL Combine: QB

2011 NFL Combine: QB

----------------------------------40 Yard Vertical Shuttle Cone Broad Jump
Andrew Luck Stanford-----------------------4.67 - 36.0 4.28 6.80 10'4

Blaine Gabbert Missouri----------------------4.62 33.5 4.26 6.84 10'0
Jake Locker Washington--------------------4.59 35 4.12 6.77 10'0
Josh Portis California (PA)------------------4.62 40 4.12 6.84 10'6
Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech-----------------4.51 37.5 4.09 6.78 10'6
Colin Kaepernick Nevada------------------4.53 32.5 4.18 6.85 9'7
Cam Newton Auburn ---------------------4.59 - 35 4.18 6.92 10'6
Christian Ponder Florida State------------4.65 34 4.09 6.85 9'8
Do you think these combine results had anything to do with Kaepernick slipping to the second round?
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Should have drafted Tony Pike then this whole QB thing would be over.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:28 AM   #770
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Racial component retracted, on the grounds of being not necessary to the argument.
I'm glad for you.

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This is not a court of law, and Andrew Luck is everything I have suggested he is. Your best argument remains "I disagree." Except here's the thing: you don't disagree. You agree with me. You just think you're justified to put Tannehill in his tier. And by your own extension, Kaepernick. Which I don't think can be justified. Maybe it can. But you haven't been particularly convincing despite carrying the burden of proof.

I want to keep this from drifting into an analysis of Andrew Luck's combine results. If you actually are going to make the case that Andrew Luck's combine results suggest he's not one of the better athletes to come out in years at the QB position, I'll probably respond (if I can) to your case. If you're not going to make it, drop the argument.
Dude, you're all over the place.

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I will stand on just the skin deep comparison to Newton, and the similarity/superiority to Griffin in the non-running tests. I have little intention of analyzing combine numbers for their greater meaning, and yet, still feel very comfortable concluding that we don't see athletes like Luck at the QB position very often.
lol, right now that the numbers are posted you're backpedalling.

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But, I guess I should expect this from you since for whatever reason you cannot admit that Tannehill is a better athlete then Luck.
Of course the above statement cannot be supported.
But neither can this statement:
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Of course Andrew Luck is a better athlete than Tannehill.
A better statement would be that for whatever reason you choose to diminish Tannehill athletic accomplishments yet overstate Lucks.

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Do you think these combine results had anything to do with Kaepernick slipping to the second round?
You're the king of presuppostion.
Kaeprnick didn't 'slide' to the second round he ascended to the second round.

oh btw:

Andrew Luck Stanford-----------------------4.67--36.0 4.28 6.80 10'4
Colin Kaepernick Nevada---------------------4.53--32.5 4.18 6.85 9'7

Do you always resort to this behavior?
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A better statement would be that for whatever reason you choose to diminish Tannehill athletic accomplishments yet overstate Lucks.

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Oh my f-cking god, you're not retracting your ridiculous statement after all that? You're a hundred times harder headed than I could ever hope to be.

You know who wasn't on the combine list? Tannehill.

I wish not to overstate Luck's case. He's still one of the best athletes to come out in years. I recognize your point about the 2011 combine, and accept that it weakens the evidence used here. The 2012 combine results though continue to reinforce what Luck put on tape. They don't do anything re: Tannehill.

Your persistence to save some face amazes me. Congrats, I guess.
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I have no idea what people think about the difference in athleticism between Tannehill and Luck, I was stating my opinion.

And I try to use qualifiers to avoid presenting my opinion as a declarative, which I find pretentious.
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But, I guess I should expect this from you since for whatever reason you cannot admit that Tannehill is a better athlete then Luck.
I just wish you would retract.
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I wish FA started today.
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I wish FA started today.
Agreed.

Wow, I'm legit depressed with that ending.

You know what will cheer me up? Steak and Shake! Well, that and NFL free agency. Hey, the Chiefs signed Zeke Markshausen today. That's something, right?
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Should have drafted Tony Pike then this whole QB thing would be over.
Can still get Zach Colleros.
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After hearing about the concerns scouts have with Barkley I think it's pretty safe to say that he would have been the 3rd QB in this draft.

Don't get me wrong, Barkley is a quality prospect and certainly much more promising then the Tannehill's of the world. However he doesn't have the greatest arm and is athletically average if that. RG3 has both the arm and athleticism not to mention he can match Barkley on the intangibles front.

Another thing to remember is Barkley's supporting cast is miles better then what RG3 had at Baylor. I think had the two gone head to head in this draft class Griffin would have gone first.
Hey Dirt totally agree, this was more of why not to wait till 2013 for Bark or any other QB for that matter. USC Qbs scare the hell of me. Im def behind all in for Grif.
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The big problem I see, is we would be out of position to grab Barkley. The guy is mostly likely gonna go #1 and if we're in the mid teens for our pick, imagine the ammo we would need to move up. I think at 6 this year we're in a perfect position to grab an elite QB at near the top.
Good point, and you're probably right but after another 8 or 9 picks and a full roud of free agency this year, the Skins would have far fewer holes and could throw everything that had into getting Barkley if they really wanted him. Or they could tank the season
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Drafting 5th. Took Sean T. We could have had Big Ben
Or Schaub
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Just Heard Sam Huff on XM, sounded senile, and probably got himself fired. Trashed the coaches and said the reason we are not good is not QB its running back. And said nothing compares to playing for the Giants.
That's right, because the Giants won it all due to their league leading rushing attack
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