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Old 03-06-2012, 10:12 AM   #166
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What do we know about Chris Carr. I thought he sucked, but I read that he was a good corner until he got hurt.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:14 AM   #167
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I've cooled on Jackson and Colston as well. Both will want top of the market deals and I think while Jackson will make an impact, I wonder if Colston is more of a product of Brees than truly an individual star. For my money, I'm leaning more towards making a big play for Garcon and Royal, whom both could come at nearly the cost for just Jackson or Colston.

My full 'shopping list' would be:
WR: Garcon, Royal (L. Robinson would be nice also to hurt Dallas while helping us)
S: Thomas DeCoud
OL: Mike Briesel, Anthony Collins
CB: Terrell Thomas

Of course, resigning Fletcher to a market deal, Lichtenstiger to a modest deal and Hightower to a one year deal would be included as well.
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When you get right down to it, I am not overly excited about any of the WR's in free agency.
VJ, as I understand it, is a bit of a head case, has had some off-field issues and just never seemed to me to be a real difference maker. He's good. Is he a "play maker". Maybe - he's got the measurables to be one, I just don't recall him ever taking over a game (I am sure someone will cite me the stats to say he is. I admit, this is just a gut call).

Garcon, speedy but drops a lot of balls it seems. A little one-dimensional. Had the opportunity to step up after Wayne was injured and Harrison was released but just didn't.

Colston, again, not a play maker. Solid, good (not great) in the red zone but just not someone who takes the game on his back and says "Just get me the damn ball".

I guess they are all upgrades over the current stable. but not by much and certainly not "the Answer". In light of that, I hope we keep the offers reasonable and don't overpay for an, ultimately, above average WR.
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I've cooled on Jackson and Colston as well. Both will want top of the market deals and I think while Jackson will make an impact, I wonder if Colston is more of a product of Brees than truly an individual star. For my money, I'm leaning more towards making a big play for Garcon and Royal, whom both could come at nearly the cost for just Jackson or Colston.

My full 'shopping list' would be:
WR: Garcon, Royal (L. Robinson would be nice also to hurt Dallas while helping us)
S: Thomas DeCoud
OL: Mike Briesel, Anthony Collins
CB: Terrell Thomas

Of course, resigning Fletcher to a market deal, Lichtenstiger to a modest deal and Hightower to a one year deal would be included as well.
Scouting info on Thomas DeCoud...

Grade: 74 | Key

Comment: DeCoud is a very athletic safety with long arms that allow him the reach to tip the ball away from receivers. He lacks premier speed and acceleration but does a good job of reading the quarterback's eyes and shows above-average route recognition in deep zone. He is a solid tackler both in space as well as in the hole and is not at all timid about inserting himself on run support. While he gets to a lot of balls he lacks the kind of top ball skills that would allow him to come up with more interceptions.
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I've cooled on Jackson and Colston as well. Both will want top of the market deals and I think while Jackson will make an impact, I wonder if Colston is more of a product of Brees than truly an individual star. For my money, I'm leaning more towards making a big play for Garcon and Royal, whom both could come at nearly the cost for just Jackson or Colston.

My full 'shopping list' would be:
WR: Garcon, Royal (L. Robinson would be nice also to hurt Dallas while helping us)
S: Thomas DeCoud
OL: Mike Briesel, Anthony Collins
CB: Terrell Thomas

Of course, resigning Fletcher to a market deal, Lichtenstiger to a modest deal and Hightower to a one year deal would be included as well.
Good list. Harry Douglas, Tracy Porter may also be considered as well
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Personally Id like us to get a WR like Criner inthe draft. but I understand that at this point we have to get a surefire #1 receiver, we can't just rely on unprovem draft talent.
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I've cooled a bit on wanting VJ here, now I'm thinking I'd rather go after someone like Garcon who's younger and has his best years ahead.
I have gone back and forth on VJ all off season. In general I want to see if our current young WR's can develop with better QB play but I have also come around to the belief that we can't afford to go into another season hoping to project a #1 WR. We need a proven #1 WR and VJ looks like the only sure fire one on the market. I think we need to make a serious run at him in spite of his off field troubles. I like Garcon as the fall back plan for VJ and I want Royal as a replacement for Moss which will make us a little younger at the position.
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Good list. Harry Douglas, Tracy Porter may also be considered as well
I see Harry Douglas as a younger version of Armstrong. Good vertical speed but limitations in running the complete route tree. I'm thinking Porter may be expensive, former first rounder, some turnover capability. I like him though. Wasn't there some talk of him converting to FS?
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When you get right down to it, I am not overly excited about any of the WR's in free agency.
VJ, as I understand it, is a bit of a head case, has had some off-field issues and just never seemed to me to be a real difference maker. He's good. Is he a "play maker". Maybe - he's got the measurables to be one, I just don't recall him ever taking over a game (I am sure someone will cite me the stats to say he is. I admit, this is just a gut call).

Garcon, speedy but drops a lot of balls it seems. A little one-dimensional. Had the opportunity to step up after Wayne was injured and Harrison was released but just didn't.

Colston, again, not a play maker. Solid, good (not great) in the red zone but just not someone who takes the game on his back and says "Just get me the damn ball".

I guess they are all upgrades over the current stable. but not by much and certainly not "the Answer". In light of that, I hope we keep the offers reasonable and don't overpay for an, ultimately, above average WR.
I think solid arguments can be made for all three being considered play makers, and all are definite upgrades over our current group.

VJ for example averages 17.5 YPC for his career. He can really blow the lid off a D.
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Colston scares me the most....big injury risk and seemed to just be another cog in an explosive offense. Can he really move to a new team and dictate coverage like a player at his expected salary level should?
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Decoud is solid but imo he's not better than Landry or atogwe
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:06 PM   #178
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DeCoud's staying in Atlanta, just got word
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Heard we're going to offer Jackson 5yrs somewhere in the range of $45-60 mil.
this is concerning for a couple of reasons:

1) Tampering
2) Isnt Jackson one joint away from a 1-year suspension, just like davis and Williams?
3) Thats alot of money to give someone who will turn 30 before the seasons over.
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Sorry but I would not give Jackson that deal, he's almost 30 and honestly he's been inconsistent plus suspended also. I'd stick with getting garcon and someone else
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