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Old 03-03-2012, 02:02 PM   #136
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Of course they're investigating us. At the very least it's a violation of the CBA. Lets hope they only view it as a minor violation and fine us money or a mid round pick and that the reason the hammer is being brought down on New Orleans is due to the fact that they were asked to stop.

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So the New Orleans Saints were dumb enough to continue a “bounty” system even after the NFL investigated them once, after owner Tom Benson told general manager Mickey Loomis to have it stopped and, worst of all, long after it had stopped working.
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Old 03-03-2012, 02:14 PM   #137
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no, that just LL.

and i don't know why people are so surprised or defensive about it. We caused a LOT of opposing injuries when GW was here, and playing after the whistle was pretty common too.

people are always going to want to take out the other guys QB though, it just makes sense if you want a better shot at winning. but an illegal hit is still an illegal hit, and they all violated the NFL's contract law, which is sorta like getting capone on tax evasion, but there's that too.
Heck in 2010 we got 2 of our 6 wins by knocking the starting QB out of the game in games against Philly and Tennessee.
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Old 03-03-2012, 02:19 PM   #138
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To be fair in the Eagles game we were already winning when Vick was knocked out.
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I understand that. But that's like saying the penalty for rape or murder is the same as assault or petty larceny. Rules can be broken in a more or less severe way. Don't you think that if the program was to intentionally hurt the penalty by the league should be worse than if it was a pay for performance program but with clean hits?
I don't think you can draw a line between paying for clean hits or knockout shots. Either way it's illegal and the penalty should be severe regardless.

Let's not be naive, I think GW was paying for rewarding players for both types of hits.
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I don't think you can draw a line between paying for clean hits or knockout shots. Either way it's illegal and the penalty should be severe regardless.

Let's not be naive, I think GW was paying for rewarding players for both types of hits.
He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.
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Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.
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Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.
True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.
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Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.

Are you sure?I ask becuase if I remember right Gegg Williams was the #1 canidate to replace Joe Gibbs and even Williams himself thought he was getting the job,what happen ...did Dan Snyder know and just dump him ,Vinnie??? Your thoughts?
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True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.
It's pretty unbelievable that the owner, GM, and head coach all knew about it, and yet it continued.
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He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:17 PM   #146
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Question , with this situation with the Saints ,possible fines supensions loss of draft picks etc.....does this now throw Drew Breese into the free agent situation and would you take Breese or Manning?
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Question , with this situation with the Saints ,possible fines supensions loss of draft picks etc.....does this now throw Drew Breese into the free agent situation and would you take Breese or Manning?
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i dont think i want drew breese at QB, now if it was Drew Brees then yes i would. lol
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Question , with this situation with the Saints ,possible fines supensions loss of draft picks etc.....does this now throw Drew Breese into the free agent situation and would you take Breese or Manning?
Why would this throw Brees into the FA situation? If anything I would think it would further incentivize the Saints to sign him. If they're hit with major sanctions and they lose their best player and team leader, it would basically be blow it up and start it all over. It would be a huge disaster.
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How is a late hit not out of line, especially now that we know they were getting paid for knockout shots?
I assume that you understand the culture of football. Right? Late hits happen every game. It's the refs opinion whether it's a flag or not. They went after Farve but I don't remember any hits where I was like.."they did that to take him out." These were not bounties where GW was asking his players to try and break a bone.
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The league isn't even looking at penalizing the Redskins 5 years and 2 head coaches later.

Having a physical OTA is not even in the same league as authorizing bounties. You're kidding yourself if you think the bounties didn't involve extra cash for injuring players.


Yes to inflict pain. That's football. Right? Guys on the Saints were not trying to end anyone's career.
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