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Old 03-03-2012, 10:16 PM   #166
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I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly. First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit.
Hmm. Not so silly it seems.

NFL.com news: Peterson is latest opponent to call out Saints for dirty play

AP: "Guys are going to try to take their shots when we're on the pile and try to twist it up and things like that. "I felt like it kind of got overboard. I got up and kind of got in his face. Thank God I was able to keep my composure."


Maybe Darren Sharper shouldn't be believed:


Peterson's accusations come one week after members of the Titans called Saints safety Roman Harper dirty for his play during the New Orleans' 22-17 win. The NFL fined Harper $15,000 for roughing the passer on a helmet-to-helmet hit in that game and another $7,500 for unnecessary roughness.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:32 PM   #167
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This is getting ugly for Williams

NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:49 PM   #168
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i feel there is no way gw was the only guy out there running a program like this. and it's not all that surprising to me that something like this would be going on. i'm sure it has gotten toned down in the past few years but it's time for it to be over with at this point in time. we now know way too much about the effects of the game on these players bodies. if the game has to be tweaked for player safety then so be it. i think the nfl's punishment will be a stiff one and should be. if they want to put a stop to this then do it, don't fine players and then let the coaches and staffs get off light.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:50 PM   #169
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He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.
Okay I completely agree with you that what is going on is wrong. My point is if it is wrong no matter what, intentional injury or not, and this is going on all over the league for a long time, shouldn't every team in the league involved get in trouble, not just the Saints? That's like jailing the ring leader of a gang of murders and letting the rest go free.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:52 PM   #170
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Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins
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i feel for him on some level, but he put himself in this situation, and the leauge has almost forced their hand based on the way they have been fining players.

smootsmack do you have any idea of when a punishment will be dealt? and any more details on what it may be?
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i never broke anyone's bones on purpose. my intent was to make a tackle, that's all. i can sleep at night

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Old 03-03-2012, 11:07 PM   #173
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Yeah, it's becoming less and less likely that he'll be coaching on the Rams' staff week 1.
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Okay I completely agree with you that what is going on is wrong. My point is if it is wrong no matter what, intentional injury or not, and this is going on all over the league for a long time, shouldn't every team in the league involved get in trouble, not just the Saints? That's like jailing the ring leader of a gang of murders and letting the rest go free.
The Saints are different from the other murderers because they were warned and kept on going. The other murderers are stealthy.
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Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins
Yep kinda thought they would too.. wonder if the titans and jags are lying and denying anything happened when he was with them.


NFL.com news: Williams reportedly also ran 'bounty' system as Bills' head coach
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:27 AM   #176
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Yep kinda thought they would too.. wonder if the titans and jags are lying and denying anything happened when he was with them.


NFL.com news: Williams reportedly also ran 'bounty' system as Bills' head coach
Yikes!

I think skinsfan69 can pretty much put his argument to bed at this point.

"There was financial compensation," said Wire, who joined the Bills in 2002 and told the newspaper that an environment of "malicious intent" existed when he arrived.
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I wont condone dirty hits but even at high school level ball... we paid very close attention to injury reports.. and I can't think of a single time when we weren't congratulated for knocking someone out of a game... only dirty hits matter to me.. we didn't/don't care whose heads got knocked off by our players unless it was illegal.. if it is a payer only pool.. it is a lot different than something coach run
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Remember the Jets strength and conditioning coach that tripped the dolphins player? He instructed players to line up on the sidelines to impede other opposing players. Slapped with a $100,000 fine and basically shamed into resigning.

I feel like GW's situation is way worse than that. How does he even keep a job at this point?
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:55 AM   #179
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Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins

SS,how are you so sure ?I ask becuase having been in many a locker room coachs and owners have snitchs,maybe it's an equipment guy or a ball boy or an assistant trying to move up the ladder but min the head coach had to have known.
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:40 AM   #180
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I think that the idea of the bounty program is deplorable and action must be taken to stop this from ever happening again. This starts with punishing the person/organizations involved. I still have this feeling we are on a slippery slope now.

It appears the bounty program got into high gear during the Saints run in the playoffs when people are already playing as hard as they can. That is a point when people are so hyped up they shouldn't have any incentive to hit another player harder than they already do. There is no way that can go unpunished. With that said, I'm trying to get a handle on how bad it really made things in the general course of the regular season (I'm not advocating that it should be allowed then either, just trying to establish the severity of the "crime"). It is coming out that this is a widespread action that happens throughout the NFL and I think there is a tendency when these things happen to adopt a mob mentality and start over vilifying the initially identified perpetrator. I can see how this could be common in defensive locker rooms through the NFL. I can also see how this could have started as something smaller for Williams and then blew up and got out of control with the Saints.

As an example, I always loved the way Sean Taylor went out and hit people. I never really thought of his play as dirty. Heck, I thought of it as the picture of what physical defense should look like... and he, according to other players, was taking home the bounty proceeds most of the time. I know most here on the board have the same opinion of his play (or at least many did back then).

I guess what I'm wondering is if people here on this board thought of the Redskins defense as "dirty" during Williams tenure ? If not, which teams did you/do you think of being dirty and what might you think is their incentive to play that way?
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