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Old 03-04-2012, 01:43 AM   #181
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I wont condone dirty hits but even at high school level ball... we paid very close attention to injury reports.. and I can't think of a single time when we weren't congratulated for knocking someone out of a game... only dirty hits matter to me.. we didn't/don't care whose heads got knocked off by our players unless it was illegal.. if it is a payer only pool.. it is a lot different than something coach run
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:54 AM   #182
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Remember the Jets strength and conditioning coach that tripped the dolphins player? He instructed players to line up on the sidelines to impede other opposing players. Slapped with a $100,000 fine and basically shamed into resigning.

I feel like GW's situation is way worse than that. How does he even keep a job at this point?
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:55 AM   #183
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Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins

SS,how are you so sure ?I ask becuase having been in many a locker room coachs and owners have snitchs,maybe it's an equipment guy or a ball boy or an assistant trying to move up the ladder but min the head coach had to have known.
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I think that the idea of the bounty program is deplorable and action must be taken to stop this from ever happening again. This starts with punishing the person/organizations involved. I still have this feeling we are on a slippery slope now.

It appears the bounty program got into high gear during the Saints run in the playoffs when people are already playing as hard as they can. That is a point when people are so hyped up they shouldn't have any incentive to hit another player harder than they already do. There is no way that can go unpunished. With that said, I'm trying to get a handle on how bad it really made things in the general course of the regular season (I'm not advocating that it should be allowed then either, just trying to establish the severity of the "crime"). It is coming out that this is a widespread action that happens throughout the NFL and I think there is a tendency when these things happen to adopt a mob mentality and start over vilifying the initially identified perpetrator. I can see how this could be common in defensive locker rooms through the NFL. I can also see how this could have started as something smaller for Williams and then blew up and got out of control with the Saints.

As an example, I always loved the way Sean Taylor went out and hit people. I never really thought of his play as dirty. Heck, I thought of it as the picture of what physical defense should look like... and he, according to other players, was taking home the bounty proceeds most of the time. I know most here on the board have the same opinion of his play (or at least many did back then).

I guess what I'm wondering is if people here on this board thought of the Redskins defense as "dirty" during Williams tenure ? If not, which teams did you/do you think of being dirty and what might you think is their incentive to play that way?
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SS,how are you so sure ?I ask becuase having been in many a locker room coachs and owners have snitchs,maybe it's an equipment guy or a ball boy or an assistant trying to move up the ladder but min the head coach had to have known.
I don't really understand your question
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I don't really understand your question

Ok, you said that you think it was only Williams in DC and no one else knew about it and while I am an admitted fan of Joe Gibbs I'm just asking why you think that noone else in the Skins organization knew this was going on,maybe not Gibbs then VC did,no way can you keep this quiet on a team with 53+ people.
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Ok, you said that you think it was only Williams in DC and no one else knew about it and while I am an admitted fan of Joe Gibbs I'm just asking why you think that noone else in the Skins organization knew this was going on,maybe not Gibbs then VC did,no way can you keep this quiet on a team with 53+ people.
I don't think that's what I said. What I said was Williams kept a lot of things from Gibbs (and they didn't have the best relationship) so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't know. And it's not hard to keep things quiet. Teams form cliques all the time, offense vs. defense, linemen vs skill players, receivers vs running backs and so on.

There's an email paper trail all the way up to Sean Peyton in New Orleans, no evidence the same exists for the Redskins
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:37 AM   #190
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Are you serious? GW started a bounty program that gave EXTRA rewards for knocking key players out of the game. Is knocking someone out of a game not hurting them?

As long as it's a clean hit, huh? You're high as a kite if you really think GW said, hey, let's knock Kurt Warner's ass out of this ball game, I'll pay you thousands for, but gosh darn it, it better be clean! LOL. Yeah. Unless it's a random accident like, for example, when a guy's foot gets stuck in the turf and his knee gets all twisted up when tackled, guys typically don't get knocked out of a game on a clean hit or form tackle. What does typically knock guys out of games are head shots, giving QB's that extra drive into the turf on a sack, tackling a guy at his knees, etc etc. And hey, if you did that in GW's defense, you get extra cheddar. It might draw a flag, but that dude's hurt, and you get that bounty. That's all good, right?
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So the NFL is now opened an investigation into the Skins.


Does the fact that this involves multiple teams, but mostly under the direction of 1 coach mean that the punishment will be more on Williams(fines or suspensions) or still team based(fines and draft picks)?

People are expecting a Spygate-like punishment. If the Skins get fined the 2013 1st round draft pick, you can forget getting RG3. If the Skins quickly make the trade, before the punishment, the NFL may take the 2014 1st round pick. This means no 1st rounder 2 years in a row, plus and more picks we would give to the Rams.
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So the NFL is now opened an investigation into the Skins.


Does the fact that this involves multiple teams, but mostly under the direction of 1 coach mean that the punishment will be more on Williams(fines or suspensions) or still team based(fines and draft picks)?

People are expecting a Spygate-like punishment. If the Skins get fined the 2013 1st round draft pick, you can forget getting RG3. If the Skins quickly make the trade, before the punishment, the NFL may take the 2014 1st round pick. This means no 1st rounder 2 years in a row, plus and more picks we would give to the Rams.
This thing with Gregg Williams operating a bounty mission while in Washington was two head coaches and three defensive coordinators ago. Why would the Redskins, who are now operating from under an entirely different coaching regime be punished now for draft picks? That would unjust for Roger Goddell to hand out such a punishment. Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett have nothing to do with that because they weren't coaching the Redskins from 2004-2007. If Joe Gibbs was still the coach now, I'd say the NFL commissioner would have reason to discipline the Redskins. Williams most recent team, the New Orleans Saints, may very well receive swift punishment namely because Sean Payton is still their head coach.
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Skins aren't going to lose a pick, especially not a first rounder. There's no proof that the team knew about this, unlike the Saints.
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This thing with Gregg Williams operating a bounty mission while in Washington was two head coaches and three defensive coordinators ago. Why would the Redskins, who are now operating from under an entirely different coaching regime be punished now for draft picks? That would unjust for Roger Goddell to hand out such a punishment. Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett have nothing to do with that because they weren't coaching the Redskins from 2004-2007. If Joe Gibbs was still the coach now, I'd say the NFL commissioner would have reason to discipline the Redskins. Williams most recent team, the New Orleans Saints, may very well receive swift punishment namely because Sean Payton is still their head coach.
The most damning thing for Payton and the Saints is they knew this was going on, and covered it up and lied to the league about it.
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:27 PM   #195
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We're not going to lose any draft picks. I expect a fine, somewhere in the 100k-500k range, and that'll be it. How are they going to punish the current modern day Redskins for something that happened 5 years ago? That's why there's a statute of limitations. A fine serves its purpose, we still get punished, but the real punishment will go to the Saints and probably Gregg Williams.

There's a difference between what we did and what they did. Obviously the program was similar, but the difference is our head coach had no knowledge (and there's no evidence that proves that he did know about it) and the fact that Payton and the FO in Naw'leans was warned and still continued it. That and the fact that they are still in Naw'leans is the reason there will be fines, suspensions, and loss of draft picks. I expect Gregg Williams to be suspende and/or banned from the league, I don't believe he's the only defensive coach in the league who was doing this but he's the sacrificial lamb in this case. And so be it.

There's a whole paper trail incriminating guys like Payton and Loomis in NO. Even GW has come out and admitted it. The Bills will likely get fined as well, but again the Bills and Redskins fall into the same category here. The Saints will be the ones that get hit hard. I'm not worried about this affecting our draft at all, tbh.

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