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Old 03-04-2012, 01:27 PM   #196
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We're not going to lose any draft picks. I expect a fine, somewhere in the 100k-500k range, and that'll be it. How are they going to punish the current modern day Redskins for something that happened 5 years ago? That's why there's a statute of limitations. A fine serves its purpose, we still get punished, but the real punishment will go to the Saints and probably Gregg Williams.

There's a difference between what we did and what they did. Obviously the program was similar, but the difference is our head coach had no knowledge (and there's no evidence that proves that he did know about it) and the fact that Payton and the FO in Naw'leans was warned and still continued it. That and the fact that they are still in Naw'leans is the reason there will be fines, suspensions, and loss of draft picks. I expect Gregg Williams to be suspende and/or banned from the league, I don't believe he's the only defensive coach in the league who was doing this but he's the sacrificial lamb in this case. And so be it.

There's a whole paper trail incriminating guys like Payton and Loomis in NO. Even GW has come out and admitted it. The Bills will likely get fined as well, but again the Bills and Redskins fall into the same category here. The Saints will be the ones that get hit hard. I'm not worried about this affecting our draft at all, tbh.

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:54 PM   #197
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We're not going to lose any draft picks. I expect a fine, somewhere in the 100k-500k range, and that'll be it. How are they going to punish the current modern day Redskins for something that happened 5 years ago? That's why there's a statute of limitations. A fine serves its purpose, we still get punished, but the real punishment will go to the Saints and probably Gregg Williams.

There's a difference between what we did and what they did. Obviously the program was similar, but the difference is our head coach had no knowledge (and there's no evidence that proves that he did know about it) and the fact that Payton and the FO in Naw'leans was warned and still continued it. That and the fact that they are still in Naw'leans is the reason there will be fines, suspensions, and loss of draft picks. I expect Gregg Williams to be suspende and/or banned from the league, I don't believe he's the only defensive coach in the league who was doing this but he's the sacrificial lamb in this case. And so be it.

There's a whole paper trail incriminating guys like Payton and Loomis in NO. Even GW has come out and admitted it. The Bills will likely get fined as well, but again the Bills and Redskins fall into the same category here. The Saints will be the ones that get hit hard. I'm not worried about this affecting our draft at all, tbh.
You honestly think Williams is going to be banned? If he is that's utterly ridiculous. 4 game suspension seems to be fair. I wouldn't expect anything to happen to us or Buffalo.
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Listen to Sharper's comments. We'll agree to disagree.
Did you bother to read my links about malicious intent? They were flat out trying to hurt guys. So you can disagree with the facts, that's fine.
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You honestly think Williams is going to be banned? If he is that's utterly ridiculous. 4 game suspension seems to be fair. I wouldn't expect anything to happen to us or Buffalo.
I think a 1 year ban is in order. With everything the NFL preaches these days about player safety, anything less than dropping the hammer on GW/Saints would be so hypocritical.
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We're not going to lose any draft picks. I expect a fine, somewhere in the 100k-500k range, and that'll be it. How are they going to punish the current modern day Redskins for something that happened 5 years ago? That's why there's a statute of limitations.
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In the NFL,where does this "statute of Limitations"exist?
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You honestly think Williams is going to be banned? If he is that's utterly ridiculous. 4 game suspension seems to be fair. I wouldn't expect anything to happen to us or Buffalo.
I doubt you will see him in the NFL again.
He'll get fired and disappear.
Imagine the boos the Saints will get if hes on the sidelines on opening day.
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I doubt you will see him in the NFL again.
He'll get fired and disappear.
Imagine the boos the Saints will get if hes on the sidelines on opening day.

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I think a 1 year ban is in order. With everything the NFL preaches these days about player safety, anything less than dropping the hammer on GW/Saints would be so hypocritical.
Agreed, 1 year at the least. I think the NFL will look to make an example of him. Doesn't help that he straight up lied to the league either.
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I think a 1 year ban is in order. With everything the NFL preaches these days about player safety, anything less than dropping the hammer on GW/Saints would be so hypocritical.
Not to mention it would set the precedent for future cases and potential lawsuits if a player received a career ending or worse injury from one of these bounty actions.
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This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done.
However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years.
Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth.
Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine.
Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.

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Given that this is mostly GW's doing I would expect him to bear the brunt of the punishment. The Saints should only get punished if as an organization knew about it, which sounds like they did. It seems a bit pointless for the Skins and Bills to get punished, or at least get as harsh of a punishment as the Saints are likely to get.

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He's the Defensive cordinater for the Rams( for now)
errrr...yea...I knew that.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:10 PM   #208
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The biggest problem I have with this whole story?

ESPN's choice of headline....

"Report: NFL to probe Redskins"


... ouch.

Wait... Haven't they been doing that for years?
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This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done.
However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years.
Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth.
Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine.
Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.

100% agree. the cover up and refusal to quit is really the main issue, but like you state Williams is not the first. a variant of this behavior has been around since football began. But I agree with others, its time for it to stop.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:37 PM   #210
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Would think Sean Peyton and Loomis get some sort of suspension too. You can't deny it, then admit it but do nothing about it and not expect to get reprimanded
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