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Old 04-05-2012, 02:12 PM   #481
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Who recorded GW? Btw that's a pussy move to do that
Documentary film maker covering the Saints that year.

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documentary filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, who directed the ESPN 30 for 30 film "Run Ricky Run," has released an audio recording that he says is a speech Williams gave to Saints defensive players the night before the team lost to the 49ers in a playoff game in January.
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Thanks guys. Geez I didn't know they were filming and he still said all that. Honestly I'm sure this talk happens in most locker rooms but it's not and excuse for a bounty
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It may happen in a generic sort of sense - "I am going to hit him so hard he's gonna see stars." I would hope players aren't out there aiming at each others ACL's and goading each other on to take illegal head shots.

Still amazing to me how many, in the face of rising concussions and medical awareness as to what these guys do to their minds/bodies, want to encourage a culture of silence. "Pussy thing to do"? Even if it wasn't a documentary, I call BS on that. You want to exhort the team to hit hard, fine. You don't want to get caught calling on players to injure other players? Sorry, I am not okay with that.
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It may happen in a generic sort of sense - "I am going to hit him so hard he's gonna see stars." I would hope players aren't out there aiming at each others ACL's and goading each other on to take illegal head shots.

Still amazing to me how many, in the face of rising concussions and medical awareness as to what these guys do to their minds/bodies, want to encourage a culture of silence. "Pussy thing to do"? Even if it wasn't a documentary, I call BS on that. You want to exhort the team to hit hard, fine. You don't want to get caught calling on players to injure other players? Sorry, I am not okay with that.
Coaches are going to pump up their players any way they can. I don't have a problem with the foul language. I wouldn't have a problem if he simply pointed out recent injuries the players had as a referense to the teams weaknesses, but naming players and how to take them out is probably a bit much. Take our team for instance, you guys can't tell me you guys wouldn't be pissed if you saw the opponant taking cheap shots at our players? You'd be even more pissed if you found out later that a coach instructed them to hit those players on purpose. I have to imagine the 49ers fans are livid.
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It may happen in a generic sort of sense - "I am going to hit him so hard he's gonna see stars." I would hope players aren't out there aiming at each others ACL's and goading each other on to take illegal head shots.

Still amazing to me how many, in the face of rising concussions and medical awareness as to what these guys do to their minds/bodies, want to encourage a culture of silence. "Pussy thing to do"? Even if it wasn't a documentary, I call BS on that. You want to exhort the team to hit hard, fine. You don't want to get caught calling on players to injure other players? Sorry, I am not okay with that.
This.

And I don't buy that this is going on all around the league. Not to the same extent that GW took it. He clearly took it way over the line.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:25 PM   #489
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Funny thing is the Niners offense was about as good as it was all year in that game...so maybe the Saints spent too much worried about trying to hurt someone instead of playing football
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Sounds like it's back the bus over GW time

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Can't read the article but I am guessing it goes something like this.

Vitt's lawyer: We tried to get him to stop but he just wouldn't! Everytime we stood up to him he gave us the backhand and told us we better shut up before he puts bounties on us too! He's a monster!
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I haven't heard the audio, just read some of the transcripts. Vitt's accusation that "Williams was a rogue coach", rings a little hollow to me.

Williams gave his little speech in front of a documentary crew. Did Vitt say something to him afterwards? Did Payton? If he was going "rogue" and you knew it, to whose attention did you bring it?

They aren't just backing the bus over GW, they are stopping and spinning the wheels in hopes of destroying all the evidence. I hope it is seen for what it is.

[As an aside on how well this tactic works - In WWII, after the failed July 20, 1944 assassination attempt of Hitler, one of the conspirators gathered up the leaders of the conspiracy, held a kangaroo court and had them all shot for treason to cover his tracks. Didn't work, he too was executed by Hitler].
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I heard it on Limbaugh's show over lunch. You have to hear the audio, it's disgusting. You absolutely won't believe you're hearing what you are.

There's telling your guys to play hard and hit their star players hard, then there's what Gregg did. He named specific players and gave very specific instructions on how to take them out. He mentioned Crabtree and after calling him some profane names, instructed his players to aim for and tear his outside ACL. He mentioned that Kyle Williams (the fumbling punt returner) and said he's coming off a concussion and to hit him in the head to test it his doctors. Alex Smith...hit him in the head. Frank Gore, "Kill his head". Vernon Davis, it was either his ankles or knees.

It was sick to listen to. He researched the opposition's injuries and have specific instructions on how to hit them to severely injury them. Not even instructions, but orders.


What really disturbs me...I was among the vocal WP members and Skins fans who wanted him to be our HC after Gibbs. Don't lie, the majority of us wanted him to take over the team. Just knowing this guy was even on our staff once...ugh.
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I heard it on Limbaugh's show over lunch. You have to hear the audio, it's disgusting. You absolutely won't believe you're hearing what you are.

There's telling your guys to play hard and hit their star players hard, then there's what Gregg did. He named specific players and gave very specific instructions on how to take them out. He mentioned Crabtree and after calling him some profane names, instructed his players to aim for and tear his outside ACL. He mentioned that Kyle Williams (the fumbling punt returner) and said he's coming off a concussion and to hit him in the head to test it his doctors. Alex Smith...hit him in the head. Frank Gore, "Kill his head". Vernon Davis, it was either his ankles or knees.

It was sick to listen to. He researched the opposition's injuries and have specific instructions on how to hit them to severely injury them. Not even instructions, but orders.


What really disturbs me...I was among the vocal WP members and Skins fans who wanted him to be our HC after Gibbs. Don't lie, the majority of us wanted him to take over the team. Just knowing this guy was even on our staff once...ugh.
He's just trying to get his guys fired up. Did he go over the top? Yeah. I've heard a few former players come out and comment today, and they basically said..."no big deal, this kind of talk goes on all the time"...No big deal imo.
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I heard it on Limbaugh's show over lunch. You have to hear the audio, it's disgusting. You absolutely won't believe you're hearing what you are.

There's telling your guys to play hard and hit their star players hard, then there's what Gregg did. He named specific players and gave very specific instructions on how to take them out. He mentioned Crabtree and after calling him some profane names, instructed his players to aim for and tear his outside ACL. He mentioned that Kyle Williams (the fumbling punt returner) and said he's coming off a concussion and to hit him in the head to test it his doctors. Alex Smith...hit him in the head. Frank Gore, "Kill his head". Vernon Davis, it was either his ankles or knees.

It was sick to listen to. He researched the opposition's injuries and have specific instructions on how to hit them to severely injury them. Not even instructions, but orders.


What really disturbs me...I was among the vocal WP members and Skins fans who wanted him to be our HC after Gibbs. Don't lie, the majority of us wanted him to take over the team. Just knowing this guy was even on our staff once...ugh.
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