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Old 04-06-2012, 08:48 AM   #496
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I still don't understand how people try to defend this.
No idea.

All I'm going to say about the LaVar hit on Aikman is #1 that's a clean shot. And yeah, it is sad that multiple concussions ended a great career.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:11 AM   #497
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Darren Woodson basically said most of what you heard from Williams is typical of any Saturday night defense meeting. It was the Crabtree reference, the concussion references that were way overboard.

Its disgusting and not defending it, but i think statements like "kill the head, body will die" "take his ass out" "lay him out or put him down" "knock the sh*t out of him" "make him pay"....that language is common place at every level
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:13 AM   #498
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Darren Woodson basically said most of what you heard from Williams is typical of any Saturday night defense meeting. It was the Crabtree reference, the concussion references that were way overboard.

Its disgusting and not defending it, but i think statements like "kill the head, body will die" "take his ass out" "lay him out or put him down" "knock the sh*t out of him" "make him pay"....that language is common place at every level
Yeah that's not the part I don't like, it's the part where he targets specific body parts on the players for the 49ers. Aka "go after Frank Gore's head" "Crabtree's ACL" "Davis' ankles" etc.
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I was happy when he failed to get the Skins HC gig after Joe2. Mostly because I just think he's an egotistical.....dick. I had no idea he was the NFL's Marquis De Sade.......
Great post!! Williams is a dick.
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I still don't understand how people try to defend this.

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I don't get why the NFL doesn't adopt the NHL's injury policy in that teams are not forced to disclose injuries. Rather they just say upper or lower body to get the media something to work with.

I doubt Gregg Williams is the only active coach to explicitly target players with ailments.

There seems to be a misconception though that fans are bothered by the profanity. I've seen it on Twitter with a few former NFL players. I think it's safe to say that people are use to it especially if they've seen hard knocks. It's clear that the mention of specific injuries and the plan to target them is whats causing the utter sense of shock.
The fact - - or the belief - - that other teams do something similar to what we now KNOW the Saints were doing does not make what the Saints did right. Nor would it make what other teams similarly do right.

Lots of folks are arrested and convicted every year for DUI. That does not make it OK for you to drive under the influence.
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The fact - - or the belief - - that other teams do something similar to what we now KNOW the Saints were doing does not make what the Saints did right. Nor would it make what other teams similarly do right.

Lots of folks are arrested and convicted every year for DUI. That does not make it OK for you to drive under the influence.
i agree, but it says its an unfortunate social norm. Hitting people to inflict pain is a norm in football, the intent to injury?...could be argued.

The Ravens put a bounty on Hines Ward and Rashard Mendenhall - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports

People remember this? Yes it happens on other teams. Direct from the article: Suggs acknowledged recently on the syndicated sports radio talk show "2 Live Stews" that the Ravens had a bounty on Mendenhall and on Ward.

Remember when Ray Lewis taking out Reshard Mendenhall?: "The linebacker, however, wasn't the only Raven boasting about the season-ending hit on Mendenhall. The guy who delivered the knockout blow, Ray Lewis, told Sports Illustrated that after the play he wasn't calling for medical help for Mendenhall, he was bragging that the first-round pick was "done". "

To say this hasnt happened before or is not praticed on other teams is head-in-the-ground foolish

Not that i agree with any of this, but like ive stated before...similar type of things happens on every level
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I agree that deliberately taking out a guys knee or deliberately trying to concuss(helmet to helmet hit) a player is way out of line.

Testing a guy who is coming back from an ACL injury or trying to knock the crap out of a guy with concussion problems is fair game to me.

People are calling for GW to be banned for life but has anyone studied actual game film to see if the Saints tried to take out Crabtrees ACL or have film of a helmet to helmet hit on Kyle Williams?
Anyone interview those guys and ask them what they thought of the Saints play? What about the other Saints Opponents last year?

I think the tape shows GW going over the line trying to get his guys hyped and motivated for the game. All 26 defensive players know how to play the game and wouldn't intentionally risk a guys career on a cheep shot.

Guys like Darren Sharper and London Fletcher have said that GW is one of the best coaches they have ever played for. If GW was really after ending guys seasons/careers, I doubt a standup guy like Fletcher would feel that way about him.

Trying to knock a guy out is a part of the game whether you like it or not.



What was everyones initial reaction to Lavar Arrington Taking out Aikman?
Were you saddened that Troy was knocked out of the game and ultimately career?
Do you think Lavar was running over to hopefully get a nice textbook wrapup tackle?



To be honest, I am waiting for Shanahan to be banned for teaching cut blocking. The only thing that tore up more knees than Cut blocking is the old astro turf at Veterans Stadium.
I though GW went a little overboard with the ACL comments. But it is legal to hit someone on the knee. The stuff about Gore was just talk. I highly doubt any of the Saints players went head hunting cause the fines are way too severe. If a player is hurt and decides to go out on the field then it IS FAIR GAME. Romo had rib issues and D. Hall said he was going to hit him in the ribs. Sorry but that's football.

Goodell is just the owners bitch. He doesn't give a damn about the players. His loyalty is with the owners and that's why he's so obsessed about all the head injuries....cause of all the lawsuits. Which in turn is why we see so many BS calls every week. It's not the refs, it's the league going overboard trying to make it flag football. GW is going to be the scapegoat but I hope he does get a chance to coach in the NFL again. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
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With Goodell's campaign on concussions lately, directing your players to target heads, especially known-concussed heads is just asking for a big punishment.

Morals aside, Williams showed no common sense. He had to know the Commish would crack down on him very hard for this.

The ACLs and other directives were just over the top.
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I though GW went a little overboard with the ACL comments. But it is legal to hit someone on the knee. The stuff about Gore was just talk. I highly doubt any of the Saints players went head hunting cause the fines are way too severe. If a player is hurt and decides to go out on the field then it IS FAIR GAME. Romo had rib issues and D. Hall said he was going to hit him in the ribs. Sorry but that's football.

Goodell is just the owners bitch. He doesn't give a damn about the players. His loyalty is with the owners and that's why he's so obsessed about all the head injuries....cause of all the lawsuits. Which in turn is why we see so many BS calls every week. It's not the refs, it's the league going overboard trying to make it flag football. GW is going to be the scapegoat but I hope he does get a chance to coach in the NFL again. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Well you know it was the NFLPA, not the owners, who were making player safety and concussion awareness such a key part of negotiations for a new CBA last year.
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I though GW went a little overboard with the ACL comments. But it is legal to hit someone on the knee. The stuff about Gore was just talk. I highly doubt any of the Saints players went head hunting cause the fines are way too severe. If a player is hurt and decides to go out on the field then it IS FAIR GAME. Romo had rib issues and D. Hall said he was going to hit him in the ribs. Sorry but that's football.

Goodell is just the owners bitch. He doesn't give a damn about the players. His loyalty is with the owners and that's why he's so obsessed about all the head injuries....cause of all the lawsuits. Which in turn is why we see so many BS calls every week. It's not the refs, it's the league going overboard trying to make it flag football. GW is going to be the scapegoat but I hope he does get a chance to coach in the NFL again. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
By my count it would be his 4th chance. The Rog gave him multiple opportunities to shut it down and he didn't.
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As I've said this before, regardless of what people complain about, the NFL is changing and taking safety into consideration in their rules and policies, though I would argue in a flawed manner (ex: developing rules to protect players, yet still pushing for an 18-game season).

It amazes me that people want to dismiss this whole situation and sweep it under the rug. In the end, Gregg Williams F*CKED UP many times over. He f*cked up by starting this bounty program, and worst of all he f*cked up when his superiors and the league told him "STOP DOING THIS" and he didn't stop. I have nothing against GW as a person, but I would definitely understand it if he never coaches again. He has cost the Saints a lot, and he has pretty much killed his reputation. I'd be curious if any team would be willing to take a chance on him.
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Well you know it was the NFLPA, not the owners, who were making player safety and concussion awareness such a key part of negotiations for a new CBA last year.
Yes but Goodell and the front office are the enforcers. They're the ones handing down the ridiculous fines, suspensions and so on.
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By my count it would be his 4th chance. The Rog gave him multiple opportunities to shut it down and he didn't.
Exactly.
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Gregg Williams told New Orleans Saints to hurt San Francisco 49ers in speech - ESPN

Golic with a great quote from a Giants player basically saying the samething about taking out kyle williams. dont agree with it, but just saying league wide
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