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Old 03-19-2012, 02:41 AM   #151
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Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft

what I have been pondering since FA started and our lack of attention to the line is:

What if after reviewing the tape the coaches we happy with the opportunities created by the line? 5 of 6 games to end the year we had a 100yard rusher, I cant remember the last time we ran that well over that many games (the playoff run when Portis stepped up?). This to me is the first real sign that our offense is starting to click....could we be approaching the fabled continuity?

What if they were very unhappy with how the skill players took advantage of those opportunites?

I think you would have an off season that looks not different that this. I still think we will address the line, but maybe not the total revamp a lot of folks are calling for. This line of thinking also reduces the suprise if TW is traded for draft position.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:17 AM   #152
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well, randy moss was 300% as productive with tom brady vs w/ with oakland had... if you have a great QB, any WR is going to look a lot better. RGIII is going to have a lot of say in whether garcon is looked back upon as a good or bad signing.
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well, randy moss was 300% as productive with tom brady vs w/ with oakland had... if you have a great QB, any WR is going to look a lot better. RGIII is going to have a lot of say in whether garcon is looked back upon as a good or bad signing.
Exactly. If I had to put a number on it I'd say that for most receivers the QB and play calling is at least 50% responsible for a receivers production. Most likely even more then that. You can have a receiver with all the talent in the world but unless he has a good QB and an offensive system that allows him to get open theres a good chance of said receiver underacheiving. Only the Calvin Johnson's of the world can make anyone look good and they are very very very very very VERY few and far between.

With Griffin at the healm we might find that we're going from "all the receivers we get end up sucking" to "man receivers are a dime a dozen."
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Exactly. If I had to put a number on it I'd say that for most receivers the QB and play calling is at least 50% responsible for a receivers production. Most likely even more then that. You can have a receiver with all the talent in the world but unless he has a good QB and an offensive system that allows him to get open theres a good chance of said receiver underacheiving. Only the Calvin Johnson's of the world can make anyone look good and they are very very very very very VERY few and far between.

With Griffin at the healm we might find that we're going from "all the receivers we get end up sucking" to "man receivers are a dime a dozen."
well, i don't know if you followed CJ, but watching reggie ball throw to him at GT was pretty god awful. and yet, he still helped get reggie drafted.
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Exactly. If I had to put a number on it I'd say that for most receivers the QB and play calling is at least 50% responsible for a receivers production. Most likely even more then that. You can have a receiver with all the talent in the world but unless he has a good QB and an offensive system that allows him to get open theres a good chance of said receiver underacheiving. Only the Calvin Johnson's of the world can make anyone look good and they are very very very very very VERY few and far between.

With Griffin at the healm we might find that we're going from "all the receivers we get end up sucking" to "man receivers are a dime a dozen."
All depends how you define WR production. If it's just by yards and catches, then it's probably a lot more than 50% dependent on the QB and offensive scheme. Any fantasy football player knows to avoid a quality receiver who is working with a limited passing game.

Receiver stats are pretty advanced though within the last ten years, thanks to details in the NFL gamebooks that weren't there before 2000.
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As much as it sucked to get screwed out of $18 million of cap room and get stuck with just 17.5 million remaining, that's a ton of cap room to improve the team. By my estimates, we've spent around 13 ish million, which is a lot.

And it's just not clear where the team has improved. For all that money, we have a lot more competition at the Z receiver position, and we're healthier overall (though weaker) at safety. We don't yet have Fletcher back in the fold, and at this point, would seemingly have to create some cap room to get him signed.

There's still plenty of time to get around to actually improving the team: both the LB and the OT markets are still pretty robust, and the Redskins can create cap room by borrowing money from future seasons. The Trent Williams contract has a lot of base salary in it. Beck can be cut. Cooley and Davis can be extended, etc. Hall can be released if that $10 million isn't enough. I don't doubt they'll make another move.

But spending so much on so little isn't a good plan to build around RG3, no matter how desperate things looked after the NFL docked us cap space.
Isn't Beck under contract for a few milllion? Why in the world are they keeping him on the roster? At this point he's totally useless.
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All depends how you define WR production. If it's just by yards and catches, then it's probably a lot more than 50% dependent on the QB and offensive scheme. Any fantasy football player knows to avoid a quality receiver who is working with a limited passing game.

Receiver stats are pretty advanced though within the last ten years, thanks to details in the NFL gamebooks that weren't there before 2000.
I agree, I was just using 50% as a conservative estimate.
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Isn't Beck under contract for a few milllion? Why in the world are they keeping him on the roster? At this point he's totally useless.
Completely agree, he's unnecessary.

I think coaches may have been satisfied with the line for now as well, maybe putting some of the blame onto rex and beck not getting the ball out of their hands quick enough?

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Isn't Beck under contract for a few milllion? Why in the world are they keeping him on the roster? At this point he's totally useless.
I imagine he is gone if cap room is needed for Fletcher(if beck even provides cap relief) but he is a camp body at this point to be cut at the altar of the true RGIII.

(Lotus, I will never again refer to Griffen that way but love the name play between the false prophet RGIII(Rexy) and the true one)
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I imagine he is gone if cap room is needed for Fletcher(if beck even provides cap relief) but he is a camp body at this point to be cut at the altar of the true RGIII.

(Lotus, I will never again refer to Griffen that way but love the name play between the false prophet RGIII(Rexy) and the true one)
Love the word play!

Also, I just made a suggestion. I'm not the "Griffin" police.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:29 AM   #161
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Isn't Beck under contract for a few milllion? Why in the world are they keeping him on the roster? At this point he's totally useless.
I think they are keeping him around to allow Jonathan Crompton to compete against him in training camp. If the Redskins decide to keep three quarterbacks like they did in 2010, it would make for better evaluation. If Beck beats Crompton in the preseason, then the quarterback depth chart will look like:

1. Robert Griffin III
2. Rex Grossman
3. John Beck

Or if Crompton proves himself worthy and lands 3rd string, the depth chart will look like:

1. Robert Griffin III
2. Rex Grossman
3. Jonathan Crompton

Crompton was limited to the practice squad all last season. He was signed to the active roster when the Redskins season was over. As far as Beck is concerned, he's hasn't been released yet because Mike Shanahan still likes him for some reason.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:43 AM   #163
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I think Bell signs here.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:17 AM   #164
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At this point, after thinking about RG3 or Luck in burgundy in gold - I'd rather have Kyle Shanahan as the third string QB than see Beck out there again... Let's save the cap room to get Bell.
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Good news for the OL watchers:

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Demetrius Bell has narrowed his choices between the Redskins and Bills.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Bell here. I would be fine with going into the season with Bell as the starting RT and Brown as a backup.
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