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Old 03-13-2012, 07:56 PM   #211
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I'd be 100% on board if this way worked, but it never does. I don't see any of the winning organizations doing this every year. I understand Royal has the connection but he really is just another ho hum wr. I'd just rather see if Paul & Hank can progress since we drafed them and they have a year under the offense. It's the constant falling in love w/ other teams players.

As for Garcon... Doesn't Luck need wr's just as much as RG3? So why'd Indy just let him walk? Yeah...that makes me skeptical.
Indy didn't let him walk, they offered him a contract 5yr 35mil don't know how much was guaranted and he said NO. PG knows there rebuilding and probably wanted out IMO.
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1) Hank will still be around and maybe Paul.

2) Indy offered Garcon $7 mil a year and he turned them down. They hardly "just let him walk."


OK...wasn't aware of that.
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- Moss' deadcap hits would be $4M in 2012, or after June 1st $2M in 2012 and $2M in 2013.

- DHall saves us $6M no matter when we cut him. His deadcap hits are negligible.
In the past teams could cut one player right now and designate him as June 1 cut but get the savings you mentioned right now? Is that correct?
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:59 PM   #214
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Did some quick calculations on the recent signings. Here are the cap hits I've come up with so far given the info out there (000s):

Carriker
2012: $2,750
2013: $4,750
2014: $5,750
2015: $6,750
TOTAL: $20,000

Garcon
2012: $7,300
2013: $7,300
2014: $8,300
2015: $9,300
2016: $10,300
TOTAL: $42,500

Morgan
2012: $2,200
2013: $2,300
2014: $2,500
2015: $2,500
2016: $2,500
TOTAL: $12,000
Garcon's getting 13.5 in year one, 7.25 in year two, and 7.25 in year 3...unconfirmed
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i dont minde cutting hall but if we do who in gods name is our starting corner along with wilson? i would love carr but i dont think we have enough money
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Garcon's getting 13.5 in year one, 7.25 in year two, and 7.25 in year 3...unconfirmed
How is that possible with our cap reduction? Are we just saying '**** it, we'll do what we want' to Goodell?
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i dont minde cutting hall but if we do who in gods name is our starting corner along with wilson? i would love carr but i dont think we have enough money
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a point someone made earlier is still sticking with me.

Marques Colston signed a smaller deal to stay in New Orleans, and was considered the best or second best WR on the market. Pierre was the third best and got a bigger offer. Thats either bad negotiating by us or Marques knows he's not that good without brees. somethings off here..
a) not everyone considered Garcon as third best
b) Colston took the "home-town" discount. Garcon preferred market competition and uprooting his family
c) although Garcon got more, the two deals are pretty similar
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I'm also someone puzzled with the signing of these 3 receivers. None are that special and just more of what they usually get at WR... small receivers who can't break away from the defensive backs covering them. At least all 3 of these guys are young. But where is the 6-3, 220 WR that can be the go-to person when you need a first down... maybe Hankerson if he stops dropping passes.

I sure hope to hear of some great OL and DL FA picks here pretty soon... fingers crossed.
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a) not everyone considered Garcon as third best
b) Colston took the "home-town" discount. Garcon preferred market competition and uprooting his family
c) although Garcon got more, the two deals are pretty similar
Also skins had to beat Indys offer. Colston had no other offer to beat.
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How is that possible with our cap reduction? Are we just saying '**** it, we'll do what we want' to Goodell?
Yes I believe we are, although it's directed more towards owners than it is Goodell. And I personally support this strategy.
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So is Eddie Royal done?
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Ya seems like overkill. Doesn't bode well for my boy Santana.

My guess is they cut Gaffney soon, Moss after June 1st, or both.
Man, I hope not.
Seems like they got quantity more then quality.
There are only a finite number of targets.
But, we have far more WRs then possible targets or catch opportunities.

The funny thing (or not so funny if they cut Gaffney and/or Moss) is that using advanced metrics from Football Outsiders Gaffney was ranked higher in DYAR/DVOA then Garcon whose DYAR/DVOA were equal to Tana playing through a broken hand.
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Who are we looking at for the DEFENSE?

Right now I see our draft looking like Defense, a RB, an OL player, and of course Mr. RGIII.

Now I am excited about the RGIII deal!
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Man, I hope not.
Seems like they got quantity more then quality.
There are only a finite number of targets.
But, we have far more WRs then possible targets or catch opportunities.

The funny thing (or not so funny if they cut Gaffney and/or Moss) is that using advanced metrics from Football Outsiders Gaffney was ranked higher in DYAR/DVOA then Garcon whose DYAR/DVOA were equal to Tana playing through a broken hand.
One could argue that Gaffney and Moss have their best football behind them while Garcon likely has his best yet to come.
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