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Old 03-14-2012, 04:06 PM   #481
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JLC just reported had not the 'Skins moved up for RGIII, Garcon was going to sign with San Diego.
Well would u wanna play with Rex?
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:08 PM   #482
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I guess my point is I don't think we'll cut Moss and Gaffney. We need seasoned hands on the roster.
I would be lying if I said I know what they are planning, because these FA signings came totally out of left field for me. But I think the seasoned hands you speak of ARE the players they've signed.

The only guy from last year who is safe at this point is Hankerson, who has the inside track to start at the X position.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:10 PM   #483
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I hear you, but I think -- hope -- they would at least retain the services of Mr. Jabar Gaffney.
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Old 03-14-2012, 05:15 PM   #484
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JLC just reported had not the 'Skins moved up for RGIII, Garcon was going to sign with San Diego.
Interesting...not surprising though. RGIII is already paying off?!
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I don't get the we-overpaid-for-Garcon crowd. Indy offered him $7 mil a year and we had to offer just a bit more to get him. That's what we did. It's not like we threw VJax money at him.

Griffin to Garcon is going to rule.
I don't think Garcon is 7 mil a year type of wr. He's been up and down and struggles with routine catches. But we see it all around the league, teams overpay if they really want a guy. I'm actually OK with Garcon cause Indy established his value. I just see no need for Morgan or Royal. Spend that money elsewhere.
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I don't think Garcon is 7 mil a year type of wr. He's been up and down and struggles with routine catches. But we see it all around the league, teams overpay if they really want a guy. I'm actually OK with Garcon cause Indy established his value. I just see no need for Morgan or Royal. Spend that money elsewhere.
I think the fact Norv in San Diego wanted Garcon over V Jax and the rest of the market speaks pretty high of Garcon's ability
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Antonio Freeman, former Packers wide receiver, doesn't think the Redskins have a game changer with Garcon, Morgan, and possibly Royal. But that remains to be seen. Just because the Redskins didn't land Colston, Marshall, or V. Jackson, people like Freeman(some NFL analysts) are saying that the Redskins didn't upgrade- that they overpaid for a trio of #2 receivers. I don't think that's the case and we won't know until nearly halfway through the season.
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I think the fact Norv in San Diego wanted Garcon over V Jax and the rest of the market speaks pretty high of Garcon's ability
I think Norv wanted Jackson, SD just wasn't going to pay him cause of the risk. Garcon was his 2nd option. Tampa completly overpaid for Jackson IMO.
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I don't get the we-overpaid-for-Garcon crowd. Indy offered him $7 mil a year and we had to offer just a bit more to get him. That's what we did. It's not like we threw VJax money at him.

Griffin to Garcon is going to rule.
VJax would have been more taxing on the cap (particularly in 2012, when Jackson is counting $13 million against TBs cap and Garcon about $4.5 against ours). But Jackson is a MUCH better player than Garcon, and he likely deserves the difference.

Age is a big deal though. If Garcon develops as the Shanahan's expect (given this deal), he could be a bargain in years 3-5. Where as Jackson will almost certainly be overpaid in the same years.

Garcon though has to get past years 1 and 2 though. $10 mil/year for two seasons for a receiver who doesn't develop is tough to swallow no matter how much cap space one has. The Bucs aren't projecting Jackson to turn into a number one for them, as he already is. Which is the big difference.

Plus the Morgan signings suggests the Shanahan's don't think this signing is a slam dunk. If it is a great move and Garcon-Griffin is the new Harrison-Manning, Morgan will rot on the bench for a year and then look for work in 2013, B. Lloyd-style.

But Morgan's speed and versatility gives the Redskins a non-Armstrong option if one too many Griffin bombs go through Garcon's hands.
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I think Norv wanted Jackson, SD just wasn't going to pay him cause of the risk. Garcon was his 2nd option. Tampa completly overpaid for Jackson IMO.
Right the risk, if San Diego and Norv truly wanted him he woulda never hit the market. Norv had multiple opportunities to sign V Jax, he went after Garcon instead.
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I dont want Royal too. It will remind me of `06 when we picked up 6 WRs and Brandon Lloyd had like 6 catches all year we had 40 mid tier WRs. We have enough after Pierre & Josh.
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VJax would have been more taxing on the cap (particularly in 2012, when Jackson is counting $13 million against TBs cap and Garcon about $4.5 against ours). But Jackson is a MUCH better player than Garcon, and he likely deserves the difference.

Age is a big deal though. If Garcon develops as the Shanahan's expect (given this deal), he could be a bargain in years 3-5. Where as Jackson will almost certainly be overpaid in the same years.

Garcon though has to get past years 1 and 2 though. $10 mil/year for two seasons for a receiver who doesn't develop is tough to swallow no matter how much cap space one has. The Bucs aren't projecting Jackson to turn into a number one for them, as he already is. Which is the big difference.

Plus the Morgan signings suggests the Shanahan's don't think this signing is a slam dunk. If it is a great move and Garcon-Griffin is the new Harrison-Manning, Morgan will rot on the bench for a year and then look for work in 2013, B. Lloyd-style.

But Morgan's speed and versatility gives the Redskins a non-Armstrong option if one too many Griffin bombs go through Garcon's hands.
I don't disagree that VJax is the better player. But the bolded part is why I think we got a good value (provided Garcon develops, of course).

As for Morgan, it seems to me like we are doing a complete housecleaning at WR. I do not expect Morgan to rot on the bench. I think Morgan is the Housh to Garcon's Ochocinco a la 2005 Bengals.
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Fwiw, the Eagles are overpaying DeSean Jackson as well. Not quite by as much as we're lining Garcon's pockets in excess of his value, but in the same way that neither team will be able to get value on the contract until year 3 at the earliest, assuming the player even makes it there.
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I don't disagree that VJax is the better player. But the bolded part is why I think we got a good value (provided Garcon develops, of course).

As for Morgan, it seems to me like we are doing a complete housecleaning at WR. I do not expect Morgan to rot on the bench. I think Morgan is the Housh to Garcon's Ochocinco a la 2005 Bengals.
Santana Moss HEALTHY> Josh Morgan.

I wouldnt bank on Morgan just yet and hes comming off a sidelining injury.
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I don't disagree that VJax is the better player. But the bolded part is why I think we got a good value (provided Garcon develops, of course).

As for Morgan, it seems to me like we are doing a complete housecleaning at WR. I do not expect Morgan to rot on the bench. I think Morgan is the Housh to Garcon's Ochocinco a la 2005 Bengals.
Barring injury (which inevitably will strike, and woohoo! if it doesn't), someone here is resigned to the bench. Otherwise, we're playing with either too many guys on the field or a poor excuse for a right tackle.

But I think the "if he develops" is only half of the value equation, and frankly, it's not the more likely half. If Garcon struggles for any reason (even something that's not his own fault like inconsistent use or misusage), then 1/$13.5 or 2/$21 is a difficult burden for the team to carry. Much more difficult on the downside than a $7 mil/year for a true no. 1 receiver between the ages of 28-30 is an upside for the roster.

My biggest beef is that Josh Morgan might actually have some hidden upside that might make him a no. 1 receiver in the future (kind of like Armstrong in 2010), but he's going back to the market in two years whether he works out or not. The signing that should have had the backloaded upside potential doesn't have that potential. That's the kind of missed opportunity that Bruce Allen typically seizes, at least with every position except wide receiver.

And that makes me terrified as to what an Eddie Royal contract might look like because Royal is not even a good (or remotely acceptable) offensive player. He did win a game for Denver with a punt return though last year.
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