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Old 03-19-2012, 04:40 PM   #736
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:41 PM   #737
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The more I think about our FA moves and using precious cap space to get WRs over the best available olineman it seems plausable Hankerson's injury concerns are pretty serious. Too bad we didn't have the dough to do both!
This team was in desperate need of playmakers at WR. Even if LH was 100%, I think we still would have made those moves.
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:45 PM   #738
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Our O-line was in better shape than our WRs.
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This team was in desperate need of playmakers at WR. Even if LH was 100%, I think we still would have made those moves.
Yeah but I thought a legit franchise QB could boost WR performance?!

We just mortgaged the foreseeable future on our franchise QB, it stands to reason we'd do everything possible to best protect him and that means solidifying the line to me.

Garcon, Gaffney, Moss and a healthy Hankerson is a pretty decent WR group. Spending extra cap space on Morgan at the (possible) expense of London, RT, OG seems either shortsighted or indicative Hankerson is a big ?
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Yeah but I thought a legit franchise QB could boost WR performance?!

We just mortgaged the foreseeable future on our franchise QB, it stands to reason we'd do everything possible to best protect him and that means solidifying the line to me.

Garcon, Gaffney, Moss and a healthy Hankerson is a pretty decent WR group. Spending extra cap space on Morgan at the (possible) expense of London, RT, OG seems either shortsighted or indicative Hankerson is a big ?
Sure, you can get more out of your receivers, but they aren't getting faster or more talented. Steve Young could probably do well with Gaffney and old Moss, but Jerry Rice could do more than either of them.
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Sure, you can get more out of your receivers, but they aren't getting faster or more talented. Steve Young could probably do well with Gaffney and old Moss, but Jerry Rice could do more than either of them.
Raider Rice or Seahawks and Broncos training camp Rice?
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Raider Rice or Seahawks and Broncos training camp Rice?
San Francisco Rice, mid 90s.
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Our O-line was in better shape than our WRs.
Out of pure curiosity why do you think this?
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Yeah but I thought a legit franchise QB could boost WR performance?!

We just mortgaged the foreseeable future on our franchise QB, it stands to reason we'd do everything possible to best protect him and that means solidifying the line to me.

Garcon, Gaffney, Moss and a healthy Hankerson is a pretty decent WR group. Spending extra cap space on Morgan at the (possible) expense of London, RT, OG seems either shortsighted or indicative Hankerson is a big ?
Shanahan just doesn't toss big $$ at lineman especially on the interior.

I don't think the line was that horrible to begin with anyway.

One of RG3's main strength's is his deep ball. Makes sense to get him as much help as possible in that area.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:17 PM   #745
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Shanahan just doesn't toss big $$ at lineman especially on the interior.

I don't think the line was that horrible to begin with anyway.

One of RG3's main strength's is his deep ball. Makes sense to get him as much help as possible in that area.
RG3 also seems to be pretty good at getting the most out of generally inferior talent. Line wise Baylor always had a prospect or two but to my knowledge as a unit they've always been average.

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Phillip Wright - C - 5th Round Grade
Robert Griffin (Yes, Robert Griffin) - G - Projected UDFA
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:39 PM   #746
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Out of pure curiosity why do you think this?
We have capable starters on the oline, but our depth could be better. Our starting WRs are fading fast and would be in marginal roles elsewhere and our depth is shaky as well.

Hankerson's recovery is still in question and he seems to be on a slow learning curve. Austin, Robinson, and Paul all seem not ready yet. Gaffney is not really much of a threat; he's like a slower and older Steve Smith(former Giant). Moss is nearing that magic age of 33; WRs just seem to retire at that age or soon afterwards.

Trent is an either-or. He either is gonna be suspended and do nothing, or he keeps himself clean and improve yet again this year. I'll take my bets that he'll stay clean and thus play, at a bare minimum, just as well this year next year. The interior three held their own, and I'm willing to place some hope into Willie Smith improving enough to be ever-so-slightly better than Jamaal Brown.
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RG3 also seems to be pretty good at getting the most out of generally inferior talent. Line wise Baylor always had a prospect or two but to my knowledge as a unit they've always been average.

2009 - Frosh year
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Robert Griffin (Yes, Robert Griffin) - G - Projected UDFA
And Jason Smith has been a dud for the Rams; he's playing RT and not well-endeared to Rams fans.
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And Jason Smith has been a dud for the Rams; he's playing RT and not well-endeared to Rams fans.
yup, I warriorzpathed that about J Smith. Had bust city all over him.
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And Jason Smith has been a dud for the Rams; he's playing RT and not well-endeared to Rams fans.
I was speaking of Jason Smith as a college player. Fact of the matter is when he was at Baylor in 2008 he was dominant. His pro career is irrelevant when talking about the personnel RG3 had around him during his time at Baylor.

Anyway the point remains, decent O-Lines, two great prospects in RG3's time there, but overall average units at best.
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We have capable starters on the oline, but our depth could be better. Our starting WRs are fading fast and would be in marginal roles elsewhere and our depth is shaky as well.
I think our OL as unit is greater then the sum of its parts and is better then most people think.
(Football outsiders ranks our OL: 10th in run blocking 15th in pass blocking)

But, I think you overstate the quality of the individual players and underestimate the quality of our WRs.
I don't think judging our players on how/where they would fit on another is too subjective to be useful in assess their talent.
But even using that criteria I think you would be hard pressed to find a starting role for any of out OL other then Trent Williams and maybe Chris Chester.

Football Outsiders ranks our passing offense:22th
Jabbar Gaffney ranks 33rd in DYAR and 48th in DVOA which is actually ahead of newly signed P.Garcon 81st and 78th respectively.
Interestingly enough the injured S.Moss DYAR/DVOA 80th DYAR/79th DVOA, rival Garcon. And keep in mind this group of WRs dealt with Wrecks Grossman and John Beck getting them the ball; which imo was a major limiting factor.

I think RT more so they any other position on offense was the weakest link on our starting 11.
I'm an oldschool type guy and I think physical superiority at the point of attack is the single most successful way to improve an offense.
I think finding a definitive upgrade at the RT position, more then any else, would be the most beneficial to support a rookie QB.

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The interior three held their own, and I'm willing to place some hope into Willie Smith improving enough to be ever-so-slightly better than Jamaal Brown.
I have high hopes for Willy too but I would rather not rely on hope as a strategy for improvement when it comes to protect our franchise QB.
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