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Old 02-04-2005, 05:16 AM   #1
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gardner wasnt the problem for the redskins. he is a legit 1000yard wide receiver.

everyone makes excuses for all players except gardner. hell even joe gibbs is using gardner as the scapegoat.

gardner has had 3 different systems in 4 season. the one year he was the redskins #1 WR, he got a thousand yards.

this year gardner had 300 less yards and 39 less catches than coles but has 4 more touchdowns.

someone find a stat for dropped ball because after two thirds of the season was over, a sports anchor was saying coles had more drops than gardner.

if gardner was so bad why did gibbs leave him in there? thrash is a capable proven WR. jacobs has all the talent joe gibbs wants.

every offensive player on the roster had terrible years compared to previous seasons.
coles didnt get jack for yards.
portis had to many runs for short yardage.
McCants didnt even find the field.
thrash is back as a reserve.
brunell is a bum.
line didnt block

gardner had to learn new system. thats partly to blame for his route running.
rod did do a good job of getting open. every game there were instances of him beating DB's and him simply not getting the ball because of poor QB or oLine play.


SOMETHING TO CONSIDER:
coles and gardner are the same age. coles has one more year in the league because he got kicked out of florida state. coles has had a serious injury the last 2 years and he isnt getting surgery to repair it. gardner has never been injured. coles injury will probably hinder him for the rest of his career. there is a solid chance that coles' toe will end his career early. is it smart letting gardner go and while i beleive coles will be done in 2 years? i dont think it is.


my biggest problem with the haters is joe gibbs.
the biggest problem on the offence was the blocking. it didnt open lanes to run through and it didnt give ramsey time. gibbs has been saying they need to block better all year. why hasnt gibbs talked about picking up linemen? why isnt that a priority?

joe gibbs installed an obsolete playbook. he didnt adapt week to week. he left brunell in there too long. he didnt get the WR downfield. all the routes had the receiver running back to the line of scrimmage. for god sakes coles had 90 catches but didnt get a 1000 yards.

williams deserves alot of credit for the play of pierce, clark, clemons, marshall and noble. williams also deserves credit for the career years by springs, smoot, washington, griffin and the solid play by taylor(a rookie).

why doesnt gibbs take the blame for subpar years by PROBOWLERS coles, portis, brunell and samuels? granted brunell is physically and mentally done. but those other guys are in their prime.

joe gibbs is going to let rod gardner go because his ego cant admin his failures. he kept brunell in there for the same reason.

I dont feel gardner is a bust like westbrook is. the redskins coaching staff and ownership the last 4 years has been a bust for the players and fans.

if gardner goes to the right team, he will have more yards and TD's than coles. gardner can play in this league.

sorry for the rant.
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Old 02-04-2005, 06:00 AM   #2
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Portis got snubed for the pro-bowl, he had a better season than A. Green. Cause if you remember correctly Green played on a team that had a passing attack the whole season.

With Portis,as we all know, played on an anemic offense and still put up good numbers.
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Old 02-04-2005, 08:26 AM   #3
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Gardner is a legit 1000 yard receiver? One out 4, I wouldn't say that's legit, I know he's played in different systems but so has Coles.

Once again we have an in house doctor making claims about Coles' injury.

Gardner was on his way out before Gibbs got here.

Gibbs is always quick to take ALL the blame right on his shoulders. He's never backed down from accepting the blame for the offensive woes. I don't see how you can say Gibbs is using him as the scapegoat. At his press conference he said Gardner asked if he could seek a trade and the team granted him permission to do so. I have never heard Gibbs say Gardner was the problem for the offensive struggles.

Gardner wasn't the sole reason for the offensive struggles, but how many more years should we wait for this legit 1000 yard receiver to break out and start living up to his potential??

I don't think Gardner is garbage, he's a decent #2, but it's time to move on.
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Old 02-04-2005, 08:38 AM   #4
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I think everyone is basing their opinion of Rod Gardner not just on this season but on his total body of work. While Coles definitely was a let down this year he has in the past been a breakaway playmaker in this league. That is something Gardner has never been. He has consistently dropped balls not just this past season but over his entire career. He has the nick name 50-50 for a reason. Gardner is a posession receiver with bad hands. Those two things are in direct opposition to each other. He has average speed and isn't a fantastic blocker. His one 1000 yard year he was a #1 guy on a pass happy offense. I think every one of our receivers, as a number one, would have had a good year. You can't look at four seasons and pick out the one good year to base your opinion becasue it is likely that one seaosn was an abberation. Hopefully Coles can recover but even if he doesn't Gardner is not the guy who is going to take his place in the offense. That will go to Jacobs. He still has trade value and we might as well get something for him while we can. It was not all his fault but things do need to be changed and this is one thing that needs changing. Whether the line blocks or not doesn't really affect him much. In fact following that logic he should have caught more balls this year as the offense went into safe mode and started throwing 5 yard slants and ins. These are basic posession receiver routes that for some reason didn't help him have much success this year. At the end of the day you can be mad at Gibbs but he doesn't make the plays. That falls on the players. Gardner can be easily replaced and has trade value. Trade his ass before he drops another redskins pass I say.
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Old 02-04-2005, 08:43 AM   #5
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I think everyone is basing their opinion of Rod Gardner not just on this season but on his total body of work. While Coles definitely was a let down this year he has in the past been a breakaway playmaker in this league. That is something Gardner has never been. He has consistently dropped balls not just this past season but over his entire career. He has the nick name 50-50 for a reason. Gardner is a posession receiver with bad hands. Those two things are in direct opposition to each other. He has average speed and isn't a fantastic blocker. His one 1000 yard year he was a #1 guy on a pass happy offense. I think every one of our receivers, as a number one, would have had a good year. You can't look at four seasons and pick out the one good year to base your opinion becasue it is likely that one seaosn was an abberation. Hopefully Coles can recover but even if he doesn't Gardner is not the guy who is going to take his place in the offense. That will go to Jacobs. He still has trade value and we might as well get something for him while we can. It was not all his fault but things do need to be changed and this is one thing that needs changing. Whether the line blocks or not doesn't really affect him much. In fact following that logic he should have caught more balls this year as the offense went into safe mode and started throwing 5 yard slants and ins. These are basic posession receiver routes that for some reason didn't help him have much success this year. At the end of the day you can be mad at Gibbs but he doesn't make the plays. That falls on the players. Gardner can be easily replaced and has trade value. Trade his ass before he drops another redskins pass I say.
I agree.

Another point about RG, if he was getting open as you say, jamf, why did Coles end up with all the catches? Did the QB's just snub RG for some reason? If a guy is open you throw it to him, no? Coles had to learn the same new system yet he ended up with 90 catches on a bum toe.

I guess the world is just out to get Rod.
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Old 02-04-2005, 08:55 AM   #6
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I still think Rod is a good 2 receiver for the right team. He may even excel ina new environment but we need a field stretching guy. Or at least a guy we can count on the catch the ball. oh yeah Coles has a bum toe AND a dislocated finger which might explain why he dropped so many balls in the mid-season. Whats Gardner's excuse? A dislocated section of the brain responsible for ball catching?
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Old 02-04-2005, 09:09 AM   #7
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Trade his ass before he drops another redskins pass I say.
"If He Drops a Pass, You Must Trade His Ass" LOL. I love it. FRPLG Cochran!
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:26 AM   #8
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Gardner sucks. You can dig up stats to support any claim you want to make. Just watch the games and judge with your own eyes. He stinks. He makes amazing plays on one hand and then drops an easy 3rd down pass that brings out the punting unit. He is not a consistent enough player. The NFL is all about consistentcy. RG is simply not consistent enough to depend on. End of story.
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:28 AM   #9
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And another thing, I still say I will be amazed(Pleasantly) if the Redskins get anything above a 4th round pick for RG. The NFL knows all about RG. We are not going to pull the whool over anyones eyes. He has 4 years of underachievement on tape for the whole league to review. I would take a 4th rounder and run with it before they change their minds...
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:49 AM   #10
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If all we would get is a 4th rounder for him, does anyone else think that keeping him might be another option? Give him another chance in the new system and if we draft a WR this year (which is very likely) then have the two of them fight it out in camp. I know he's had his share of chances, but maybe one more, to at least bring up his trade value if anything?

I don't know if that's a plausible scenario, but who knows?
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:11 AM   #11
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He asked for the trade.........so he does not want to be here.......and he has been 50/50 his whole career..........the guy makes the hard plays look easy, then he makes an easy play look hard. There has been no consistence with him. At least Coles, Thrash, have been consistent through there careers.

I think this is adding buy subtraction. I would like to get something for him, but there is only one Vinne C. in the league.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:17 AM   #12
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This is amusing to me. From this thread we can identify the poor sods who bought a Gardner authentic jersey.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:20 AM   #13
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How many times in the draft threads have people said "It really takes years for receivers to come around." Gardner is one of those receivers. He can make some big plays, and when Brunell was at QB got a lot more looks than Coles. Then when the QB changed, and we got a QB that could complete a wide open pass, Coles got more looks because I feel Ramsey really likes Coles.

Matty - it doesn't take a doctor to see how Coles' injury is hampering him. He's going much slower, and the WP had an article a while ago that mentioned without the surgery he probably won't be the same athelete again. I'm sure they did their research. Stop with the whole doctor thing, Coles is hurting and I can respect if he wants to forego surgery, but if he's sitting on the bench in two years, I don't wanna hear shit from the guy.

It is true how the fans and media liked to make excuses for EVERYONE but Rod Gardner, he took a brunt of the blame for the anemic Redskin offense, because god knows we can't blame Saint Joe Gibbs. You can only catch what's thrown to you, and the dropped balls between our top two wideouts were a lot more even than we want to admit.

I feel Rod Gardner certainly has his shortcomings, but the Redskins could do MUCH worse. I personally would rather see him stay, because I don't really like the WR prospects coming out of college this year, and he's pretty cheap (of course to trade him next year we'd have to franchise, etc) I agree, for the most part, with Jamf.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:27 AM   #14
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This is amusing to me. From this thread we can identify the poor sods who bought a Gardner authentic jersey.
LOL!!!


Seriously though, Rod Gardner had a very good rookie season and has not been able to duplicate that performance since then. You can say that Joe Gibbs is using Rod Gardner as a scapegoat all ya want, but the truth is, Gardner is the one who is seeking a trade. Furthermore, he had that nickname 50/50 before Joe Gibbs got here, so tell me, would you want a receiver that only catches 50% of the passes thrown to him. Actually, the numbers were worse than that...toward the end of the season, his numbers actually showed from what I remember his catch percentage was in the forties!

One more thing, it doesn't matter that Gardner was playing in another system. As matter of fact, this system should be easier to adjust to than what Spurrier's system was, so I'm not buying that excuse. When the ball is dropping toward your hands or it's heading between the numbers, if you're a pro, you had better catch at least 80% of those passes! Sure, Gardner had some nice catches this year, but he had alot of drops this year as well. I don't hate Gardner, but I say good riddance!
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:29 AM   #15
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How many times in the draft threads have people said "It really takes years for receivers to come around."

I agree that not everybody can come out on the field as a rookie and burn it up, but by your third or fourth season, you should have a higher percentage of completions.
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