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Old 03-19-2012, 12:43 PM   #76
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Re: Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

Yeah, Jeff Saturday trending on Twitter.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:46 PM   #77
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Yeah, Jeff Saturday trending on Twitter.
Is he also planning to sue?
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:58 PM   #78
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Haha..you know, he should.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:02 PM   #79
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Sure the Skins got screwed..but they are going to pay the cap hit they normally would have...the issue I have is a couple others got away with it on a smaller scale....and if you pursue a lawsuit, you will make enemies of those you depend on.
You really dont want the NFL a perpetual enemy of the Skins...think of penalties, fines, scheduling, supplemental draft picks, etc
Um, who depends on who? I think it's more the NFL depends on these two teams for money to help the less fortunate teams then the two teams depend on the NFL. Maybe these two teams need to drop their ticket prices.... you know because the market is so bad, and drop the price of food at the park.... because you know the market is so bad, and do away with the parking costs. Maybe just maybe they can lower themselves to the bottom half of the league in order to have money handed to them as well.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:04 PM   #80
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I like having an actual lawyer who can explain situations like this more properly. I consider myself somewhat cogent on legal matters but nothing short of completely layman. Perhaps my views are as limited as others but it sure seems to me like some people have no concept at all how laws are applied and enforced in our country.

I have wavered back and forth about what I think is the right course of action. At first I felt this was a "grab the pitch forks" type situation. "Burn 'em all the hell." Then I backed into the "we wouldn't definitely win in a lawsuit and it could threaten the sport as a whole. it would be better to appeal to their sense of fairness."

I am back to the "burn the whole village down." Why would a team like Dallas or Washington care if the sport maintained the socialist approach? A law suit could absolutely threaten the very foundation that approach is founded on. In a real free market the Skins buy whatever they hell they want and can afford whenever they want to do it. The other owners have shown that they don't care really about fairness but rather keeping everyone in line. Sounds like how socialism has played out all over the world to me. And so often history has shown that it doesn't last. Those having to continually sacrifice get tired of doing so for everyone else and inevitably work to break the system. To me, the NFL, lit a fire under teams like Dallas and Wash that may end up causing real problems.
100% agree.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:09 PM   #81
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This...I find it almost laughable to think that Dan Snyder sat in a meeting and agreed to this. He's been running an NFL football team for 13 years now. He knows how the salary cap works. He understood how the uncapped year could offer him relief. And he just sat in a room and volunteered not to utilize the advantage that presented him? Does anyone in their right mind think that sounds like something he'd do? In the business world Snyder is not known as a shrinking violet. I think he'd have told Ralph Wilson and his crew of poor owners to go screw.

Perhaps he knew that many owners had agreed to this and that they would either TRY to punish those that didn't go along or were only issuing empty threats but it doesn't seem very likely at all that he actually raised his hand as a Yay when they "voted" on this.
The key is if eveyone agreed there should not have been a need for a warning. right? The mere fact the warning was issued shows there were teams that didn't agree with it or didn't want to go along with it and a warning from the majority was issued.

Also there would not have been a competative edge had all the teams done the same thing. Lets reverse the roll, what would have happened had all the other teams reworked deals and the Skins and Cowboys had not? would the NFL be duling out punishments for 30 teams because two teams didn't get a competative edge?
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Do you know that as fact?
I would think it was heavily implied. You would have thought that both teams would have been heavily prepared for sanctions had they been involved in the vote.
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An arbitration situation? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Another plan of attack.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:36 PM   #84
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This makes sense. No messy public battle, and hopefully some sort of compromise can be reached.
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This makes sense. No messy public battle, and hopefully some sort of compromise can be reached.
It'd be awesome if we get some high round draft picks as compensation.
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It'd be awesome if we get some high round draft picks as compensation.
I'd be happy with just getting a portion of that cap room back, say 50% of it perhaps?
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Do you know that as fact?
Probably just as much as you "know" that all teams "agreed"
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It'd be awesome if we get some high round draft picks as compensation.
i suggested this before myself... but i dont think its a realistic option. it would be entirely unprecedented. however, i feel it could be warranted. the big names in free agency are all gone. we could easily argue that we would have gone after mario williams, peyton manning, vincent jackson, winston, etc. but were unable to do so because of wrongful cap penalty. it also could have prevented our ability to retain landry (not like we really wanted to). at this point, we cant replace the players we could have signed, so all they could do would be give us draft picks, and we could only get players like that in the 1st round. of course, theres no evidence any of those players would have signed with us, so thats highly unlikely.

In the end, i think a fair resolution would be to waive the 18MM hit next year and give us some sort of cap credit (maybe not the full 18MM from this year, but something), along with possible compensatory picks in the 3rd round and beyond in 2013. given these are given to teams who lose free agents, this is somewhat of a comparable situation, as we lost our ability to get free agents due to wrongful penalties.
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I've been hoping we were using the Saber rattling as a bargaining chip to get our stuff (or at least some) back.
The Dan and JJ have the two most valuable franchises in the NFL. They are....shrewd self made Billionaire guys. Very accustomed to difficult problems and negotiations. I do not see them letting this slide........
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I'd be happy with just getting a portion of that cap room back, say 50% of it perhaps?
Absolutely!! Still, we've missed some FA opportunities already but it could prove helpful in re-signing London etc.
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