|02-07-2005, 02:47 AM||#1|
Join Date: Feb 2004
As I watch/read news highlights on tv and the net about the Pats win, I keep hearing the word "Dynasty". Comparisions are being made to the Steelers of the 70's decade, 49ers of the 80's decade and the Cowboys of the 90's decade and now the Pats of the '00 decade. But wait, aren't they leaving out a team? ya, that's right the REDSKINS!
3 or more title wins in a 10 year period (a decade) gives you a dynasty? right?
here's my research:
Steelers: 74-75 season, 75-76 season, 78-79 season, 79-80 season (6 year span)
49ers: 81-82 season, 84-85 season, 88-89 season, 89-90 season (9 year span)
Cowboys: 92-93 season, 93-94 season, 95-96 season (4 year span)
Pats: 01-02 season, 03-04 season, 04-05 season (4 year span)
Skins: 82-83 season, 87-88 season, 91-92 season (10 year span)
Ya, the Skins last superbowl win was in 92 (outside of the 80's), but it's still within 10 years (a decade). What's more, the steelers last superbowl win was in 80 and the 49ers was in 90 (outside the scope their numerical decade). So why no love for the Skins and them not being called a dynasty? I'll tell you why, cuz it's the damn press again, the same a-holes that keep Art Monk out of the HOF.
|02-07-2005, 03:06 AM||#2|
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New Jersey
ill give the skins some love
"I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis
|02-07-2005, 05:53 AM||#3|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Well to me we don't need others to recognize us as having had a dynasty. We know what we had. That said, the USA Today does say we had one:
Patriots could soon join NFL's pantheon of greats
By Larry Weisman, USA TODAY
JACKSONVILLE — The Ming dynasty lasted 276 years. It followed the Yuan dynasty, which covered 89. Maybe things are built better in China. In the NFL, the lifespan of imperial rule is much shorter.
Deion Sanders and the Cowboys became the only team to win three Super Bowls in four years, winning Super Bowl XXX in 1996.
By Anne Ryan, USA TODAY
Dynasty. That's a word being thrown around lightly where the New England Patriots are concerned. If they defeat the Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl XXXIX, they'll win their third title in four years and immediately draw comparisons with the greatest, most enduring NFL teams.
The Dallas Cowboys last accomplished that feat of three in four years, after the 1992-93 and '95 seasons with Super Bowl rings. The standard of dominance belongs to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who won four in six seasons (1974-75, 1978-79). For long-term excellence, consider the San Francisco 49ers, with five won from 1981-94.
How do the Patriots stack up against these benchmarks?
"I really feel it's difficult to compare teams from different eras," says Jimmy Johnson, who coached the Cowboys to the first two of those titles and now is a Fox Sports analyst. He says the advent of free agency and the salary cap generally have weakened teams and made even the dominant ones less intimidating than their forebears.
But if the Patriots beat the Eagles, "I don't think anyone would question that you put them right there" with the best ever, says Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh's quarterback in those four Super Bowl victories, MVP in the last two and Johnson's compatriot at Fox.
A place in history is not the first thing on the Patriots' minds as they prepare to play the Eagles. If they win, linebacker Tedy Bruschi says, history takes care of itself. He's happy to discuss his recollections of watching the 49ers as a kid growing up in San Francisco, what he saw of the Cowboys and the little he knows of those old Steelers teams, but he'll go no further regarding the D-word.
"I won't talk about that when it comes to my team," he says. "I'll let some team in the next decade talk about us, but I won't."
The dynasties of the Super Bowl era:
• Four Super Bowls (IX, X, XIII, XIV) won in six years. One loss (XXX) well after the glory years. The Steelers won twice before the NFL liberalized its rules to open up the passing game in 1978 and twice after, losing one conference championship game in between. In Super Bowl IX, a 16-6 victory against Minnesota, the Steelers allowed 119 total yards, 17 rushing. The defense saved Super Bowl X, a 21-17 win against Dallas, with Glenn Edwards intercepting a pass in the end zone on the final play. Steel Curtain indeed. After collecting the fourth Super Bowl ring, the chant became, "One for the thumb." But they've been back to the Super Bowl only once since. Hall of Famers include defensive tackle Joe Greene, linebackers Jack Ham and Jack Lambert, cornerback Mel Blount, Bradshaw, running back Franco Harris, wide receivers Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, center Mike Webster, coach Chuck Noll, founder-owner Art Rooney and owner Dan Rooney.
• Five Super Bowl victories (VI, XII, XXVII, XXVIII, XXX) total, the last three over four years. Three losses (V, X, XIII). Narrowest margin while winning three of four: 10 points. Three different MVPs in those: First, quarterback Troy Aikman, then running back Emmitt Smith, last cornerback Larry Brown. No team has participated in more Super Bowls than the Cowboys (eight), and their five victories are tied with the 49ers for the NFL's best. Smith is the NFL's all-time leading rusher; receiver Michael Irvin is eligible for the Hall of Fame this year. Aikman also is a certainty.
San Francisco 49ers
• Five Super Bowl victories (XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV, XXIX). Peak of greatness might have been in Super Bowl XXIV, a 55-10 beating of the Denver Broncos that is the most lopsided in the game's history. Considered the Team of the '80s, with the first four Super Bowl wins occurring in seasons of that decade. Quarterback Joe Montana was named Super Bowl MVP three times, receiver Jerry Rice once, quarterback Steve Young once. First three won while coached by Bill Walsh, the others under George Seifert. Hall of Famers include Montana, safety Ronnie Lott and Walsh. Young is eligible this year; Rice, the NFL's all-time leading receiver, remains active with Seattle.
Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
• Three Super Bowl victories (XI, XV, XVIII) and two losses (II, XXXVII). The victories came in a span of eight seasons. The Raiders set a game record in beating Minnesota 32-14 in Super Bowl XI, gaining 429 yards. They led 16-0 at halftime. Victories in the next two were piloted by quarterback Jim Plunkett, the MVP once. The Raiders reached the AFC title game and lost three consecutive times before the breakthrough against Minnesota. Hall of Famers from the Super Bowl winners include receiver Fred Biletnikoff, cornerback Willie Brown, tight end Dave Casper, offensive linemen Art Shell and Gene Upshaw, linebacker Ted Hendricks, running back Marcus Allen and owner Al Davis.
• Three victories (XVII, XXII, XXVI), two defeats (VII, XVIII). Went to the title game four times under coach Joe Gibbs and won three, with a different quarterback (Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien). The Redskins reached the NFC title game one other time but lost to the eventual Super Bowl winners, the New York Giants. The club had one losing record under Gibbs competing in the NFC East, which at one point produced the Super Bowl winner in six of eight seasons. Since his retirement after the 1992 season (he returned in 2004), the Redskins have made the playoffs once. Hall of Famers include running back John Riggins and Gibbs.
• Two Super Bowl victories (VII, VIII) and three defeats (VI, XVII, XIX). Appeared in three consecutive Super Bowls and won the last two, including the 17-0 season of 1972. Two losses came in a three-year span. Allowed two touchdowns in the wins, with the No Name Defense shutting down Washington and Minnesota. Hall of Famers include coach Don Shula, running back Larry Csonka, quarterback Bob Griese, receiver Paul Warfield, offensive linemen Jim Langer and Larry Little and linebacker Nick Buoniconti.
|02-07-2005, 01:52 PM||#4|
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Washington, D.C.
As for Monk, I for one will be happy to see him in one day, but am happy enough that Gibbs is in there, and Darrell Green will certainly be in there (might even be before Monk).
|02-07-2005, 02:14 PM||#5|
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Lexington, Virginia
Yeah, I was a little pissed at that too. I don't see how they could say that and not mention the Skins.
Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.
|02-07-2005, 08:20 PM||#6|
Join Date: Sep 2004
you guys just now seeing that the redskins dynasty gets no respect?if they would have won the sb vs the raiders,they would be called dynasty.who cares?i know how good those redskins teams were,and that team that went 16-3 in 1983,could hang in and imo,beat the cowboys,49ers,steelers,and yes the patriots.of all the coaches of those teams,walsh(only won 3 sbs),johnson(only won 2),and now belichek 2,there is no way anybody in god's ever expanding universe that can tell me gibbs can't outcoach all 3 of them.chuck noll,i respect,belinchek also,as for that ole fart walsh and jimmy johnson,gibbs is way above them. :screama:
"7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"
|02-08-2005, 03:33 PM||#7|
Join Date: Feb 2004
I dont really see the skins as a dynasty. They had some good teams 3 different times but the titles were so spread out (4 years between each) that compared to the other teams that wont their titles in a short span, in my eyes they just dont count as a dynasty. Also the skins won during a strike season which even though the NFL does not asterik it, almost everyone else does.
Bottom line: The skins had 3 great teams but they were not a dynasty.
|02-08-2005, 04:09 PM||#8|
Join Date: Feb 2004
I'm not going to get all curmudgeonly here and rip the Skins accomplishments during Gibbs 1.0 because going to 5 NFC Championship games, winning 4 and 3 Super Bowls in 10 years is a remarkable feat but does that make them a dynasty?
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|02-09-2005, 02:28 AM||#9|
Join Date: Apr 2004
It was also because we made the playoffs in all but one (well two now) of Gibbs years as a HC. That has to count for something but apparently not.
|02-09-2005, 09:59 AM||#10|
Join Date: Feb 2004
I agree with Irish, if we had won those SB's in a shorter time span we would have been referred to as a dynasty.
That's the way I define a dynasty, a lot of success in a short time span with basically the same team. Winning 3 SB's in 10 years with different teams just isn't as sexy as 3 out of 4 like the Pats.