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Old 08-06-2012, 08:18 PM   #196
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?

Thinking about how many times Rex missed a throw downfield, or simply didnt see the open guy and KS and MS were on the sidelines shaking their heads - meaning i think the offense doesnt change too much but we now have a QB that will make it work.

So my answer is...............

the core offense/formations and playcalling balance will remain unchanged and Griffin's own ability will raise the level of execution and add more playmaking ability?
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:13 PM   #197
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I don't know why but people often post without regard to the OP or the thread objective.
Even though they know a general comment could easily derail a thread with such a small and specific focus as this one.
I knew as soon as I read this post that you had started this thread. And no offense bro, but I'd say this thread has served its' purpose. You incited a meaningful discussion and got people thinking about your topic. Now let it run its' course. Besides, the crowd will decide what direction this thread will go in. In fact, if you had just ignored his comment (which imo had hardly the effect you might think it had) nobody probably would've noticed, and now all you've done is brought unwarranted attention to the situation.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:34 PM   #198
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I knew as soon as I read this post that you had started this thread. And no offense bro, but I'd say this thread has served its' purpose. You incited a meaningful discussion and got people thinking about your topic. Now let it run its' course. Besides, the crowd will decide what direction this thread will go in. In fact, if you had just ignored his comment (which imo had hardly the effect you might think it had) nobody probably would've noticed, and now all you've done is brought unwarranted attention to the situation.
Some people actually like discussing football X's and O's and football philosophy or concept.
This thread has been a chronicle of the changes to the offense throughout the offseason dealing specifically with option concepts.
So of course its not gonna be everyone cup o tea and I get that.
If you feel its run its course, that's fine too.
And, I did ignore his post.
I made a general comment about this thread to another poster who actually did respond.

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So my answer is...............

the core offense/formations and playcalling balance will remain unchanged and Griffin's own ability will raise the level of execution and add more playmaking ability?
That was my original thought also.
But as the offseason progressed and more information about the offense leaked out and the offense became more visible to the media/public.
It seems that at the very least there will be some pistol formation, some zone-read, and some designed QB runs.

So it looks like there will be some change I guess a combination of these two options from the OP:

o the core offense/formations will remain unchanged but the playcalling balance will return and the offense will look more like Houston and the traditional Mike S. Denver WCO with a heavy focus on stretch running and boot-action passing?

o the offense formations will change and our offense will adopt and feature some of Baylor's formations and concepts, like they way the Panthers added some of Auburns formations, plays and concepts?

...but either way I can't wait to see it
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:28 AM   #199
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Some people actually like discussing football X's and O's and football philosophy or concept.
This thread has been a chronicle of the changes to the offense throughout the offseason dealing specifically with option concepts.
So of course its not gonna be everyone cup o tea and I get that.
If you feel its run its course, that's fine too.
And, I did ignore his post.
I made a general comment about this thread to another poster who actually did respond.

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That was my original thought also.
But as the offseason progressed and more information about the offense leaked out and the offense became more visible to the media/public.
It seems that at the very least there will be some pistol formation, some zone-read, and some designed QB runs.

So it looks like there will be some change I guess a combination of these two options from the OP:

o the core offense/formations will remain unchanged but the playcalling balance will return and the offense will look more like Houston and the traditional Mike S. Denver WCO with a heavy focus on stretch running and boot-action passing?

o the offense formations will change and our offense will adopt and feature some of Baylor's formations and concepts, like they way the Panthers added some of Auburns formations, plays and concepts?

...but either way I can't wait to see it
I can't wait until Thursday to see a little pistol with some zone read options. I can't remember when I've been so stoked just to see schematic changes.
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Thinking about how many times Rex missed a throw downfield, or simply didnt see the open guy and KS and MS were on the sidelines shaking their heads - meaning i think the offense doesnt change too much but we now have a QB that will make it work.

So my answer is...............

the core offense/formations and playcalling balance will remain unchanged and Griffin's own ability will raise the level of execution and add more playmaking ability?
Factor in the running game. In order to take pressure from off Griffin, the Redskins have to be able to run the football. Factor in also that the Shanahans like to use play action passes off the run. If RG3 gets 1 0n 1 coverage anywhere on the field, the offense will be able to move the ball all the way to the end zone by running the football and using play action.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:45 AM   #201
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Factor in the running game. In order to take pressure from off Griffin, the Redskins have to be able to run the football. Factor in also that the Shanahans like to use play action passes off the run. If RG3 gets 1 0n 1 coverage anywhere on the field, the offense will be able to move the ball all the way to the end zone by running the football and using play action.
Yes. Last year with Rex though alot of that play action was spoiled with inaccuracy, a weak arm, and poor receiver play. I cant wait to see this offense take flight - might not be at a cruising altitude until next year when they sure up the line, but that line might , juts might surprise us this year -
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Yes. Last year with Rex though alot of that play action was spoiled with inaccuracy, a weak arm, and poor receiver play. I cant wait to see this offense take flight - might not be at a cruising altitude until next year when they sure up the line, but that line might , juts might surprise us this year -
Sexy Rexy and weak arm in the same sentence???

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Yes. Last year with Rex though alot of that play action was spoiled with inaccuracy, a weak arm, and poor receiver play. I cant wait to see this offense take flight - might not be at a cruising altitude until next year when they sure up the line, but that line might , juts might surprise us this year -
Actually Rex has a strong throwing arm. He can really air it out downfield, but...his deep balls usually land in the other team's arms. He just fires and hopes he hits his target. Sometimes I think he closes his eyes when launching a deep ball.

If you just want a 70-yard pass, Rex is your guy. If you want a completion...depends on which Rex shows up that day. We don't get to see Good Rex as much as Bad Rex.
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Actually Rex has a strong throwing arm. He can really air it out downfield, but...his deep balls usually land in the other team's arms. He just fires and hopes he hits his target. Sometimes I think he closes his eyes when launching a deep ball.

If you just want a 70-yard pass, Rex is your guy. If you want a completion...depends on which Rex shows up that day. We don't get to see Good Rex as much as Bad Rex.
What? Rex has an average arm really. He was constantly underthrowing receivers. Plus, people always said that Beck had the stronger arm in camp, yet everyone still preferred Grossman.

Just because he's constantly going long doesn't mean he's got a great, rocket arm.
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What? Rex has an average arm really. He was constantly underthrowing receivers. Plus, people always said that Beck had the stronger arm in camp, yet everyone still preferred Grossman.

Just because he's constantly going long doesn't mean he's got a great, rocket arm.
Gotta agree, Rex definitely doesn't have a great arm, he never has. His long balls tend to hang or come up short. He's ok on the short to intermediate stuff.
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What? Rex has an average arm really. He was constantly underthrowing receivers. Plus, people always said that Beck had the stronger arm in camp, yet everyone still preferred Grossman.

Just because he's constantly going long doesn't mean he's got a great, rocket arm.
Whew............thank you for a second I thought there was something wrong with my eyes..........
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Gotta agree, Rex definitely doesn't have a great arm, he never has. His long balls tend to hang or come up short. He's ok on the short to intermediate stuff.
God do they hang up - I dont think he ever hit a wr deep without the wr having to stop or come back to the ball making it in effect a jump ball...........drove me nuts - Moss, or Armstrong would have five steps on the corner and the ball just wouldnt get there. ugggh. As a matter of fact THAT is what I want to see offensively out of the Skins vs. Bills - one deep ball thrown to a wr who catches it in stride and takes it in..........a la.... Brad Johnson to Albert Connell - that is the last time I remember seeing it. lol
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I can't wait until Thursday to see a little pistol with some zone read options. I can't remember when I've been so stoked just to see schematic changes.
Yeah, I have never been this excited to see a Redskins offense.

Kyle/Mike have some decisions to make about whether/how much to show of the new stuff.
Personally, I would err towards not showing any of the new stuff that involves Griffin running.
(a) The surprise factor would be diminishesd and (b) right now the OL is kinda a mixed bad right now and some of the zone-read stuff is dependent upon good protection; don't want to see Griff take any unnecessary hits.

But they could still use the run elements of the new concepts.
For example they could calls some designed RB runs from the pistol and shotgun.
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Yeah, I have never been this excited to see a Redskins offense.

Kyle/Mike have some decisions to make about whether/how much to show of the new stuff.
Personally, I would err towards not showing any of the new stuff that involves Griffin running.
(a) The surprise factor would be diminishesd and (b) right now the OL is kinda a mixed bad right now and some of the zone-read stuff is dependent upon good protection; don't want to see Griff take any unnecessary hits.

But they could still use the run elements of the new concepts.
For example they could calls some designed RB runs from the pistol and shotgun.
I dont think that there is a surprise factor when it comes to Griffin scrambling. He's gonna do it at some point, the teams know and I think expect that, but even at that point, whatever team he does it against is prolly gonna get burnt. Just got to show him slides of Michael Vick and newton not sliding, and teach him to do it EVERY TIME unless he is going to the house.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #210
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I dont think that there is a surprise factor when it comes to Griffin scrambling. He's gonna do it at some point, the teams know and I think expect that, but even at that point, whatever team he does it against is prolly gonna get burnt. Just got to show him slides of Michael Vick and newton not sliding, and teach him to do it EVERY TIME unless he is going to the house.
I was talking about the new features of the offense i.e. zone-read that involve Griff as a runner or run threat; not talking about Griff scrambling which I agree will be no surprise.
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