Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?

Daseal · 03-26-2012, 04:34 PM

Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read:

Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable.

I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else.

Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs.

Edit: Link to the article the quote is from.
NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 15 teams | ProFootballTalk

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-26-2012, 04:36 PM

I doubt we get one for Carlos Rogers but we should.

T.O.Killa · 03-26-2012, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read:

Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable.

I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else.

Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs.

Who was the pro bowl LB?

Ruhskins · 03-26-2012, 04:37 PM

From Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter:

Ralph Vacchiano ‏ @TheBlueScreen
Comp picks are awarded to teams whose free-agent losses the previous year are greater than their FA gains. Value formula is complicated.

T.O.Killa · 03-26-2012, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I doubt we get one for Carlos Rogers but we should.

We won't get any this year or next. Last year we brought in way more free agents than we lost.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-26-2012, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Who was the pro bowl LB?

Antonio Pierce.

Daseal · 03-26-2012, 04:40 PM

Meant CB, not LB. My apologies

(Carlos Rogers)

T.O.Killa · 03-26-2012, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Antonio Pierce.

Why are we talking about that year. We may have, but we usually dominated free agency. We got a third round draft choice for Dockery. We got a seventh round draft choice the year Shannahan came in, I think.

That Guy · 03-26-2012, 04:58 PM

i've linked to a different forum where a guy predicts comp picks weeks or a month ahead of time with 98% accuracy or so. you'd have to search for the old comp picks threads.

basically a bunch of nfl guys get in a room and figure it out, there's not really a formula as much as guidelines.

basically FA losses vs FA gains (taking into account # of starts, post season awards, CONTRACT VALUE, etc).

If you lose a pro bowl player and don't sign anyone, that's basically a 3rd round pick (well, high 4th round pick). if you lose someone and sign an FA starter as equal value, you might get a 7th or might not. everything else is in between.

NE, PHI, and BAL tend to get a ton of comp picks every year, since (usually) they sign cheap FAs and draft a ton of players.

Ruhskins · 03-26-2012, 04:59 PM

So it seems that the Raiders got a 3rd rounder for Nnamdi.

Daseal · 03-26-2012, 05:22 PM

I guess my real question -- is why is there a system in place for these picks. It seems pointless to me. If you lose a player, too bad -- you shouldn't be rewarded.

GTripp0012 · 03-26-2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read:

Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable.

I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else.

Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs.

Edit: Link to the article the quote is from.
NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 15 teams | ProFootballTalk

The justification is because it was collectively bargained. That's the why.

The how is secretive, but to qualify you must have had a greater number of UFAs sign elsewhere than you signed. Then you get picks. Value of the contracts signed matters secondarily, as does playing time for the players you lost. Then some teams just get picks in the 7th round because they had a poor record the year before (in this case, that's why Indy gets #253).

GTripp0012 · 03-26-2012, 05:56 PM

We didn't get picks for Rogers because we got Barry Cofield, Josh Wilson, Stephen Bowen, Keyaron Fox, etc.

According to the value formula, Carlos' 1/$4 million contract didn't outweigh everything else we brought in.

Dirtbag59 · 03-26-2012, 06:37 PM

Mel Kiper has been studying the draft for something like 30 years and even he has said on multiple occasions that he has little to no idea how they work.

Alvin Walton · 03-26-2012, 06:57 PM

The Packers get two 4th rounders.
WTF?

03-26-2012, 04:34 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read: Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks. However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable. I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else. Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs. Edit: Link to the article the quote is from. NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 15 teams \| ProFootballTalk __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-26-2012, 04:37 PM	#4
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,593	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? From Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter: Ralph Vacchiano ‏ @TheBlueScreen Comp picks are awarded to teams whose free-agent losses the previous year are greater than their FA gains. Value formula is complicated. __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

03-26-2012, 04:40 PM	#7
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? Meant CB, not LB. My apologies (Carlos Rogers) __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-26-2012, 04:58 PM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,621	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? i've linked to a different forum where a guy predicts comp picks weeks or a month ahead of time with 98% accuracy or so. you'd have to search for the old comp picks threads. basically a bunch of nfl guys get in a room and figure it out, there's not really a formula as much as guidelines. basically FA losses vs FA gains (taking into account # of starts, post season awards, CONTRACT VALUE, etc). If you lose a pro bowl player and don't sign anyone, that's basically a 3rd round pick (well, high 4th round pick). if you lose someone and sign an FA starter as equal value, you might get a 7th or might not. everything else is in between. NE, PHI, and BAL tend to get a ton of comp picks every year, since (usually) they sign cheap FAs and draft a ton of players. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-26-2012, 04:59 PM	#10
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,593	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? So it seems that the Raiders got a 3rd rounder for Nnamdi. __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

03-26-2012, 04:36 PM	#2
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? I doubt we get one for Carlos Rogers but we should. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

03-26-2012, 05:22 PM	#11
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? I guess my real question -- is why is there a system in place for these picks. It seems pointless to me. If you lose a player, too bad -- you shouldn't be rewarded. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-26-2012, 05:56 PM	#13
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? We didn't get picks for Rogers because we got Barry Cofield, Josh Wilson, Stephen Bowen, Keyaron Fox, etc. According to the value formula, Carlos' 1/$4 million contract didn't outweigh everything else we brought in. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

03-26-2012, 06:37 PM	#14
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,955	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? Mel Kiper has been studying the draft for something like 30 years and even he has said on multiple occasions that he has little to no idea how they work. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President

03-26-2012, 06:57 PM	#15
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,860	Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification? The Packers get two 4th rounders. WTF? __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

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